Floyd has lw power at ww FACT

[koboy]

Weren't Ndou, corley, gatti and hatton all post-JLC? Which of those fights were "boring, potshotting' style?

Granted, but please don't compare the above with JLC, Corrales, Manfredy, Chavez, Hernandez and Augustus. We all know that he had better comp pre-JLC.

This is what I'm talking about. It's okay to gush about FLOYD's skills and abilities, but don't deny the fact that he's taken the easy fights after JLC. Listen, I'm a Mayweather fan, albeit a FRUSTRATED fan and I believe that he has all the skills and talent to be the best, but I've also accepted that Floyd only cares about money now and low risk/high reward fights. Please don't deny that.

[Al Haymon]

Come on, bud. You know that ain't right.That's like saying Roy Jones wasn't a real super middle because 90% of his fights were at 160 or below. Not to mention, Floyd can't even make 145.

But they weren't. most of roy's fights were at 168/175. So i would say that THOSE are Roy's natural weights. Even though he clearly suffered to get back to 175 for tarver 2. Feel me?


Please read subsequent post where i explained in more detail

[lparm]

nope your wrong. Floyd has the power just not the desire or fearlessness it takes to display it. He's no power puncher but he could turn it on and get the best of them outta there with rapid fire combo's. But he wont.

How ****** of an excuse is this???

Floyd has power but he doesn't have the desire to use it?

So according to you Floyd is scared to use his power because deep down he's a *****. Is that what you're saying?

[Al Haymon]

Granted, but please don't compare the above with JLC, Corrales, Manfredy, Chavez, Hernandez and Augustus. We all know that he had better comp pre-JLC.

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Ok, i'm done.

This is a classic case of misdirection. And i'm not falling for the 'banana in the tailpipe" move.

You made it a chronological thing. Pre Jlc/Post JLC. Then, when your assertion is debunked with specific examples to the contrary, you change the argument to be "level of comp".

Person A: Frazier could beat Foreman
Person B; Foreman KO'd Frazier. Twice
Person A: Uh, nice pants.

[jrosales13]

Then, in your opinion, anybody who moves up to a late-career weight is legitimate at that weight. Right?

Because i don't think that pre-break you thought he couldn't make 144.

in MY opinion... a "natural XX-weight" doesn't mean that you are at that weight NOW and can't make a lower weight. When pazienza fought jones, i'm prety sure he couldn;t make WW. But that doesn't mean that Vinny is a "natural or legit" SMW.

Gatti was always dying to make JWW. But nobody ever considered Gatti a 'natural or legit' WW.

When SRL fought lalonde, i'm sure ray couldn't make 154. But i didn't consider ray a "natural MW or SMW'

In my mind, Floyd fought the overwhelming majority of his fights at 140 and below. those were his best weights. He is one of the smallest WW's in the division. All of that is what I personally factor into considering 135/140 as where Floyd is "natural'. manny Steward shares that view. You are welcome to dissent, and i respect your perspective.

If Shane/miguel/joshua/etc are natural WW's, then I personally consider FMJ as naturally smaller than those guys. call me crazy.

Still... 147 is where he is now....and he should fight 147'ers going forward.

Has he skills diminish at 147 from 135? If you are comfortable at 1 weight and you can not get lower. And, you still have all your skills. Then that IMO is your true weightclass. I don't consider Pac a blown-up SFW. Do you? Pac might be a blown-up LW. But, not a blown-up SFW. Pac still has all his skills. Just like Floyd. What has diminished?

[IMDAZED]

But they weren't. most of roy's fights were at 168/175. So i would say that THOSE are Roy's natural weights. Even though he clearly suffered to get back to 175 for tarver 2. Feel me?


Please read subsequent post where i explained in more detail

Why would you say that when, at 32 (Floyd's age), he had more fights at 160 than any other weight class?

[Al Haymon]

Felix Trinidad can't make 160. Does that mean that Felix is a natural SMW/LHW? Or is he a blown-up LMW/MW who would be fighting at LHW?

[Pullcounter]

Look at his resume and you'll see that as Floyd started moving up the divisions most of his best work have come against small jww or former lws. At ww Floyd has never KO'd anyone that could be considered close to even the Ring magazines top 10. The man hasn't carried his power which is why Mosley and Cotto both true ww would have massive advantages if Floyd backed up his mouth and fought either or both.

that's why he's ducking real WWs.

[jrosales13]

Felix Trinidad can't make 160. Does that mean that Felix is a natural SMW/LHW? Or is he a blown-up LMW/MW who would be fighting at LHW?

Has Tito skills diminished?

[koboy]

Ok, i'm done.

This is a classic case of misdirection. And i'm not falling for the 'banana in the tailpipe" move.

You made it a chronological thing. Pre Jlc/Post JLC. Then, when your assertion is debunked with specific examples to the contrary, you change the argument to be "level of comp".

Person A: Frazier could beat Foreman
Person B; Foreman KO'd Frazier. Twice
Person A: Uh, nice pants.

I'm just proving that Floyd has lost his balls, thus the lesser quali of opposition and even lesser risk of going for the knockout which made the TS think that Floyd doesn't have power at 147.