Paul Williams: "I Want Mayweather, Hopkins, Mosley"

[Dave Rado]

I don't see a problem with him fighting at any weight class, as long as he can make the limit it's fair. Jumping through the weights up and down isn't good for the body so I think it'll catch up with him eventually at WW. As his body matures it'll be about him training for the scale not training for the fight, which usually leads to an L.

He says he still walks around between fights at just over 150lb, which is lighter than most of the leading Welterweights. Until that changes, there is no reason why it wouldn't be good for his body.

[Dave Rado]

If Quintana found the way and controlled Paul Williams in 12 rounds, you will find other good boxer that can do the same thing.

Williams had an off-night and emphatically avenged that defeat. He's a far better fighter now than he was that night. But I think Mayweather-Williams at 147 would be a pick 'em fight and a truly great fight for both of their legacies, comparable to Leonard-Hearns. (And Hearns was the same height as Williams).

[Dave Rado]

Ok, I understand and hear you. I guess Williams will have to do some
more to warrant a big $ fight at WW then.

I think it's a shame he didn't respond to Clottey when Clottey called him out. Beating Clottey convincingly would have silenced those who claim he can't fight at Welterweight any more, and would have built up excitement about a Floyd-Williams fight, which I think has the potential to be one for the ages, like Leonard-Hearns was. A fight like that is what both fighters need to ensure they are still talked about in 50 years time. It would be the first really high risk fight for Floyd since Castillo; and for Williams, it would be his first fight against a future ATG. It would also be an intriguing match-up of styles.

[Kevin Jesus]

Why not 140 or 135 while we are at it if he can make the weight? If he wins the MW title would you still support him fighting WWs if he makes the weight? How would that look, the MW champion picking on WWs he has a clear advantage over?

Lol you're reaching a bit at 135-140.

The top WW's at WW come in at 160(Mosley, Cotto, Clottey, Berto) on fight night, they're not as small as you're making them out to be.

Maybe and if you do mean height & reach, there's no statistical proof that Height and reach always wins a fight. (Hearns-Hagler, Corrales-Mayweather, Quintana-Williams I, Etc.)

You're only saying this because Williams is that good.

If Celestino Caballero(5'11") goes up to 147 and then back down to Super Bantamweight(somehow), nobody would care or call it an "using his advantages against smaller fighters" cause he's just not that good for people to complain about that. And 5'11" is as big as an "advantage" at 122, as 6'3" is at 147.

These advantages you're trying to come up with, are myths that have been proven wrong again and again over the years, skill is what matters imo.

Edit: And yes i would still support him fighting WW's after winning the MW titles. He has already beat up on WW's after coming back down from MW like i said he started as a MW and has been switching from MW-JRMW-WW his whole career but now that he blew up, it's a problem for some reason.

[Dave Rado]

And Williams didn't turn down Martinez, Clottey, or Dzinziruk. He had those guys as choices to fall back on if he didn't fight Pavlik. People need to get with the program.

Dzinziruk and Clottey tried to get a fight with him before he even started to negotiate with Pavlik. You're right about Martinez but not the other two. He was in serious negotiations with Dzinziruk long before Pavlik started talking to him, and Dzinziruk thought it was a done deal, and that contracts were about to be signed; and then he got the opportunity to fight Pavlik and dropped Dzinziruk like a stone in order to take that opportunity, which I can't really blame him for, although it left Dzinziruk in the lurch, without a fight, and was a bit of a ***** move in a way.

But he turned down Clottey outright, saying that he didn't want to fight someone who was coming off a loss; and at that time there was no other fight being discussed for him at all other than Dzinziruk. Pavlik wasn't even on the horizon at that time. And HBO were pushing him hard to fight Clottey back then.

Strategically, given that he says he wants to fight Mosley and Mayweather at 147, I think turning down Clottey was a big mistake, because beating Clottey convincingly would have proved that he can still fight at his best at 147, and would have generated a lot of interest in the fights he says he really wants. Instead, now that he's taken the Pavlik fight, Mosley and Mayweather can just hide behind the excuse that he's not a Welterweight any more, and a lot of the boxing public are swallowing that excuse. He should definitely have taken the Clottey fight when he had the chance, IMO.

[inferno]

You're trying to rewrite history. That's half true in the case of Martinez, but Clottey and Dzindziruk tried to make fights with him well before negotiations with Pavlik even started.

Williams was in negotions to fight Pavlik before he fought Winky, but they fell through which is why he took that fight. They then went back to the table to try to set up a fight with Pavlik again and this time they got a deal done.

[gdub27]

He says he still walks around between fights at just over 150lb, which is lighter than most of the leading Welterweights. Until that changes, there is no reason why it wouldn't be good for his body.

That is if his walk around weight remains at 150 between fights, if he has said so recently i wouldn't know. If he does the it's all good but what I wonder is if he allows himself to walk around heavier due to fighting larger opponents in his recent outings.

[Iceta]

Dzinziruk and Clottey tried to get a fight with him before he even started to negotiate with Pavlik. You're right about Martinez but not the other two. He was in serious negotiations with Dzinziruk long before Pavlik started talking to him, and Dzinziruk thought it was a done deal, and that contracts were about to be signed; and then he got the opportunity to fight Pavlik and dropped Dzinziruk like a stone in order to take that opportunity, which I can't really blame him for, although it left Dzinziruk in the lurch, without a fight, and was a bit of a ***** move in a way.

But he turned down Clottey outright, saying that he didn't want to fight someone who was coming off a loss; and at that time there was no other fight being discussed for him at all other than Dzinziruk. Pavlik wasn't even on the horizon at that time. And HBO were pushing him hard to fight Clottey back then.

Strategically, given that he says he wants to fight Mosley and Mayweather at 147, I think turning down Clottey was a big mistake, because beating Clottey convincingly would have proved that he can still fight at his best at 147, and would have generated a lot of interest in the fights he says he really wants. Instead, now that he's taken the Pavlik fight, Mosley and Mayweather can just hide behind the excuse that he's not a Welterweight any more, and a lot of the boxing public are swallowing that excuse. He should definitely have taken the Clottey fight when he had the chance, IMO.

The very last part of your post makes sense. But Paul Williams can only fight one guy at a time.

[Dave Rado]

That is if his walk around weight remains at 150 between fights, if he has said so recently i wouldn't know. If he does the it's all good but what I wonder is if he allows himself to walk around heavier due to fighting larger opponents in his recent outings.

Yes he's said so very recently. See here, for example.

[Dave Rado]

Williams was in negotions to fight Pavlik before he fought Winky, but they fell through which is why he took that fight. They then went back to the table to try to set up a fight with Pavlik again and this time they got a deal done.

You're getting the timescales confused.

The first negotiations with Pavlik broke down last year, long before the Winky fight.

He wasn't talking to Pavlik straight after the Winky fight. He was in serious negotiations with Dzindziruk, and HBO were trying to persuade him to fight Clottey instead of Dzindziruk, last July - well before the negotiations with Pavlik restarted. Back then, he wasn't even mentioning Pavlik as a possible opponent.

See here, for example.