Comments Thread For: George Groves Backs Oleksandr Usyk To Beat Tyson Fury, Explains Why

[_Rexy_]

Looking forward to seeing what the odds will be, and throwing down on Usyk.

[_Rexy_]

Usyk's advantages should be stamina and speed but what you have in Fury is a guy who is 260-270 pounds who doesnt fade late who has stamina in the 12th round. If Usyk's VO2max is better it doesnt matter because Tyson has great stamina himself plus 50 pounds and 6 inches reach on Usyk. If Tyson was merely another large boxer he would be another Valuev with multiple losses, not the lineal undefeated champ.

Fury gasses if he doesn't control the pace. If he's unable to tie Usyk up and lean on him for extended periods, he WILL gas.

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Fury gasses if he doesn't control the pace. If he's unable to tie Usyk up and lean on him for extended periods, he WILL gas.

Examples of Fury gassing in a fight?

[hugh grant]

Fury wont be happy with Groves. No man born from his mother can beat fury, according to the man himself. But yeah, maybe Usyk can be favourite if he learns to defend bodyshots.

[Butt stuff]

I don't know why people bend at the waist
Bend at the fcking knees
You see what's coming and can pivot/counter
Bending at the waist gives cvnts like Fury a chance to lean down on you.
Then he can sneak in some cheap uppercuts and push you down to the canvas.

Usually it’s to conserve energy. Squatting low and bending low use different amounts of energy. Across 36 mins of fighting, it’ll take a toll. And other times squatting doesn’t get you low enough (depending on your opponents height and reach).

What’s crazy is Tyson was one of the best at squatting to get inside and he was a heavy dude.

[BodyBagz]

Usually it’s to conserve energy. Squatting low and bending low use different amounts of energy. Across 36 mins of fighting, it’ll take a toll. And other times squatting doesn’t get you low enough (depending on your opponents height and reach).

What’s crazy is Tyson was one of the best at squatting to get inside and he was a heavy dude.

That's why HW are easily winded and the weakest of all divs.
Can't do a bit of calisthenics at 3 min intervals with a minute rest period.
Resisting a HW leaning down on you is just as tiresome and leads to other dirty tactics.
Training camps for most HWs are spent at the AYCE buffet.

[NEETzschean]

Was is the key word in what you wrote there. Fury has been ballooning up and down in weight, boozing. overeating and snorting coke for years since those days and will almost certainly come in 30+lbs heavier against Usyk than he weighed against Cunnungham.

He fights in a totally different way nowadays. And while the heart, talent, and boxing IQ are still there, the tricky, mobile, "riddler" with the high punch output and bottomless stamina who boxed the ears of Wlad Klitschko is gone for good.

Usyk will be fighting the bulldozer who flattened Deontay Wilder, not an unbeatable combination of the bulldozer and the riddler.

I agree to an extent but 30+ lbs is probably nonsense. Fury was 254 lbs against Cunningham and 269 lbs in his previous fight less than a year ago against Chisora. The mid-260's to the low 270's for Usyk is far more likely imo.

[NEETzschean]

If Anthony Joshua & Tyson Fury both competed with each other in a bleep test, who do you think will win and score a higher level? It is Anthony Joshua you know it mate 'Joshua is a all round better athlete, and has actual feats of athletic achievement to prove this'.

Joshua after the 2012 Olympic Games competed in a sporting competition called 'Super stars' were he compete against other Olympic athletes in various athletic disciplines 'From track and field athletics, swimming, cycling, gym amplitude tests, and skilled based events'. Anthony Joshua won the entire event against all other athletes in his group 'Anthony Joshua was the 2012 Superstars Champion'.

All these things you are saying, are all subjective. The statistics show that Joshua has comparable if not greater endurance levels than Tyson Fury 'When you compare side by side their top level fights'. Which is why I made that post, I am not making anything up.

Tyson Fury does not have super bad endurance, it is just not elite 'Neither is Joshua's endurance, it is not elite'. But within this era of Heavyweights, both Joshua and Fury as a satisfactory level of endurance.

Steve USS Cunningham was a non power punching cruiser weight, and he decked Tyson Fury 'Who by the way was a Super Heavyweight'.

You are mocking all time great Heavyweights, that is going to happen 'You are a hardcore Fury fan, and you are living in the moment'. Mike Tyson & Muhammad Ali were actually in condition, Tyson Fury in comparison is 270 + pounds and don't kid yourself he is not solid at the weight'. These fighters you are mocking statistically they are on another level to Tyson Fury, in terms of title defenses and Championship performances 'I am not even going to defend all-time great Heavyweights like Muhammad Ali & Mike Tyson, and involve them in a phony debate regarding Tyson Fury'.

You are saying things like 'Joshua gases after a round or two and then citing fights vs Pulev and Usyk 2'. Joshua is ether matching or out working Tyson Fury in all of these fights when you compare side by side their top level fights 'They are just the raw facts'.

I will prove and post the evidence for this below, then I honestly don't know what you are going to do? Most likely lie and betray yourselves deny the evidence and factual history 'Which is something hardcore Fury fans like to do, hopefully you decide to rise above that'.

Anthony Joshua actually out worked Usyk during their first fight 'Tyson Fury was out worked by Deontay Wilder in their first fight'.

You see? So when you look at the raw data, you will start to realize that basically you are speaking nonsense.

You don't take Manny Steward seriously mate, don't insult these all-time great boxing coaches. If Manny Steward had seen your posts he would correct you on some of the nonsense you have been stating.

And then when it comes to me, can I be corrected here? No. Because what I have stated is based fundamentally on facts 'Does Anthony Joshua in a side by side comparison of his top level fights vs Fury match or out work fury? Yes. Did Deontay Wilder out work Tyson Fury during their first fight? Yes. Did Anthony Joshua out worked Usyk during their first fight? Yes.

Here below are some raw statistics, which show that both Fury & Joshua have comparable levels of endurance.

This notion that Fury is some sort of monster endurance fighter is completely made up, both fighters within this era of Heavyweights have a satisfactory level of endurance 'But neither have elite level endurance'. I.E A hallmark trait of this super Heavyweight era is that the overall conditioning and endurance levels is below par compared to past era's in my opinion.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Wladimir Kiltschko was 355 punches. The fight lasted into the 11 th round.

Tyson Fury's total out put vs Wladimir Kiltschko was 371 punches. The fight lasted the full 12 rounds.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Usyk I was 641 punches. Joshua achieved a higher work rate than Usyk 'Joshua is one of the very few fighters to actually out work Usyk in a top level fight'.

Tyson Fury's total out put vs Deontay Wilder I was 327 punches. The fight lasted the full 12 rounds. I.E Deontay Wilder's total out put was 430 punches. The fight was a draw, Fury was backed up all night and decked twice once badly.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Usyk II was 492 punches 'The fight lasted the full 12 rounds. This is another 12 round fight were Joshua once again ether matched or produced a higher work rate than Tyson Fury'.

Tyson Fury's total out put vs Deontay Wilder II was 267 punches 'The fight lasted until the 7th round'.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Pulev was 310 punches 'The fight lasted until the 9th round. At the conclusion to the 7th round, Anthony Joshua had produced a work rate of 284 punches'.

Conclusion: As you can see, Joshua's endurance is nowhere near as bad as people make out. And a certain Tyson Fury's endurance is completely and utterly overrated by miles. I am not claiming that Joshua's endurance is great, but within this era of heavyweights? It is satisfactory.

Note: I have went on record and stated, that if Fury loses to Uysk 'It will be because he fatigues and starts making mistakes' etc.

"If Anthony Joshua & Tyson Fury both competed with each other in a bleep test"

Don't know, don't care. Fury has far better stamina in a boxing match. AJ might be better than Ruiz at every non-combat sport, he still got the **** beaten out of him in a boxing ring.

"The statistics show that Joshua has comparable if not greater endurance levels than Tyson Fury"

No they don't. Fury and Joshua have totally different styles for one. If Joshua fought Wilder he'd throw far fewer punches than he did vs Usyk.

Fury possessed elite endurance for a man of his size, as Steward has stated. Ali's endurance was far inferior to Usyk's, as was his defence and general ability.

Ali was decked by non-punching light heavies and cruisers in today's parlance, KO'd by Henry Cooper if not for illegal corner work, lost to a blown-up small cruiser in Frazier. Tyson was KO'd by a small cruiser. It is what it is.

How hard was Joshua working in rounds 4, 5 and 6 vs Pulev? How hard was he working in rounds 10, 11 and 12 vs Usyk 2? I guarantee that Fury will either exceed Joshua's punch stats against Usyk 2 OR Usyk will hit Fury significantly less than he did AJ.

You're such a coward you can't even commit to picking Usyk against Fury. You've got no confidence in your own BS.

[kafkod]

I agree to an extent but 30+ lbs is probably nonsense. Fury was 254 lbs against Cunningham and 269 lbs in his previous fight less than a year ago against Chisora. The mid-260's to the low 270's for Usyk is far more likely imo.

Fury was 247 against Wlad, which was peak "riddler", if you know what I mean, and he was 277 in the 3rd Wilder fight.

He looked huge at the presser with Ngannou and if the Usyk fight happens in December, that's only 3 months away.

[elfag]

I will also be favouring Usyk to win if the fight happens in Saudi, rather than in the UK or US, where Fury would be more likely to get away with mauling, leaning and wrestling, etc. If it's a clean boxing match, Fury will have a very hard time dealing with Usyk's speed, mobility and accurate punches.

if Usyk boxes him on the outside he will have plenty of opportunity with his 85" reach.