Comments Thread For: George Groves Backs Oleksandr Usyk To Beat Tyson Fury, Explains Why

[War Room]

No he didn't. Usyk stopped Dubois with a jab in the 9th if I recall correctly.

Dubios stopped Usyk with a bodyshot, facts.

[HandsofIron]

Usyk is the better boxer 110% but my problem with this match up has always been the size factor because Usyk isn't a natural Heavyweight.

Fury is a behemoth compared to everybody else, he's going to take his training camp very seriously and probably outweigh Usyk by at least 60-70 lbs.

[Gideon lock]

Usyk just got knocked out by Dubios via bodyshot, Groves is cracked.

Usyk will see those swings from that umbering oaf a mile away he won't be posing on the ropes. Furys offense falls to bits when fighting a southpaw look what happened against wallin (another southpaw) he couldn't hardly land a glove on him.

[War Room]

Usyk will see those swings from that umbering oaf a mile away he won't be posing on the ropes. Furys offense falls to bits when fighting a southpaw look what happened against wallin (another southpaw) he couldn't hardly land a glove on him.

That's called a 30 second drill. YDKSAB, leep it moving please.

[BodyBagz]

I don't know why people bend at the waist
Bend at the fcking knees
You see what's coming and can pivot/counter
Bending at the waist gives cvnts like Fury a chance to lean down on you.
Then he can sneak in some cheap uppercuts and push you down to the canvas.

[Gideon lock]

That's called a 30 second drill. YDKSAB, leep it moving please.

Cool story bro just pretend he didn't struggle against wallin. Ydksab either.

[Kzbox]

Cool story bro just pretend he didn't struggle against wallin. Ydksab either.

He didn't struggle against Wallin though he got badly cut yeah but he outboxed Wallin the whole fight and it wasn't even close.

[PRINCEKOOL]

"Anthony Joshua has a comparable level of endurance to Tyson Fury"

Joshua gasses after a good round of action and takes the next three off: Pulev and Usyk 2 are examples, in the Wlad fight he was gassed for 5 rounds straight. Joshua is a essentially a sprinter with vastly inferior stamina to Fury, who is a natural aerobic athlete. Emanuel Steward regarded Fury as having excellent stamina and "unbelievable co-ordination for a big man" among several other elite attributes. Steve Cunningham claimed that the Fury he sparred after their fight "moved like a middleweight". Even though there is a degree of exaggeration there is also a fundamental truth, which is that Fury was extremely fast and agile for his size. I take Manny Steward more seriously than "PrinceKool".

Ali and Tyson are absurdly overrated. Ali went life and death with a homeless man's Usyk in Karl Mildenberger, Tyson was a 5'10 T-Rex armed roided-up cruiser who got beaten from pillar to post by a 42/1 underdog fringe contender and a former 190 pounder. Your posts are nothing more than wish-fulfilment.

If Anthony Joshua & Tyson Fury both competed with each other in a bleep test, who do you think will win and score a higher level? It is Anthony Joshua you know it mate 'Joshua is a all round better athlete, and has actual feats of athletic achievement to prove this'.

Joshua after the 2012 Olympic Games competed in a sporting competition called 'Super stars' were he compete against other Olympic athletes in various athletic disciplines 'From track and field athletics, swimming, cycling, gym amplitude tests, and skilled based events'. Anthony Joshua won the entire event against all other athletes in his group 'Anthony Joshua was the 2012 Superstars Champion'.

All these things you are saying, are all subjective. The statistics show that Joshua has comparable if not greater endurance levels than Tyson Fury 'When you compare side by side their top level fights'. Which is why I made that post, I am not making anything up.

Tyson Fury does not have super bad endurance, it is just not elite 'Neither is Joshua's endurance, it is not elite'. But within this era of Heavyweights, both Joshua and Fury as a satisfactory level of endurance.

Steve USS Cunningham was a non power punching cruiser weight, and he decked Tyson Fury 'Who by the way was a Super Heavyweight'.

You are mocking all time great Heavyweights, that is going to happen 'You are a hardcore Fury fan, and you are living in the moment'. Mike Tyson & Muhammad Ali were actually in condition, Tyson Fury in comparison is 270 + pounds and don't kid yourself he is not solid at the weight'. These fighters you are mocking statistically they are on another level to Tyson Fury, in terms of title defenses and Championship performances 'I am not even going to defend all-time great Heavyweights like Muhammad Ali & Mike Tyson, and involve them in a phony debate regarding Tyson Fury'.

You are saying things like 'Joshua gases after a round or two and then citing fights vs Pulev and Usyk 2'. Joshua is ether matching or out working Tyson Fury in all of these fights when you compare side by side their top level fights 'They are just the raw facts'.

I will prove and post the evidence for this below, then I honestly don't know what you are going to do? Most likely lie and betray yourselves deny the evidence and factual history 'Which is something hardcore Fury fans like to do, hopefully you decide to rise above that'.

Anthony Joshua actually out worked Usyk during their first fight 'Tyson Fury was out worked by Deontay Wilder in their first fight'.

You see? So when you look at the raw data, you will start to realize that basically you are speaking nonsense.

You don't take Manny Steward seriously mate, don't insult these all-time great boxing coaches. If Manny Steward had seen your posts he would correct you on some of the nonsense you have been stating.

And then when it comes to me, can I be corrected here? No. Because what I have stated is based fundamentally on facts 'Does Anthony Joshua in a side by side comparison of his top level fights vs Fury match or out work fury? Yes. Did Deontay Wilder out work Tyson Fury during their first fight? Yes. Did Anthony Joshua out worked Usyk during their first fight? Yes.

Here below are some raw statistics, which show that both Fury & Joshua have comparable levels of endurance.

This notion that Fury is some sort of monster endurance fighter is completely made up, both fighters within this era of Heavyweights have a satisfactory level of endurance 'But neither have elite level endurance'. I.E A hallmark trait of this super Heavyweight era is that the overall conditioning and endurance levels is below par compared to past era's in my opinion.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Wladimir Kiltschko was 355 punches. The fight lasted into the 11 th round.

Tyson Fury's total out put vs Wladimir Kiltschko was 371 punches. The fight lasted the full 12 rounds.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Usyk I was 641 punches. Joshua achieved a higher work rate than Usyk 'Joshua is one of the very few fighters to actually out work Usyk in a top level fight'.

Tyson Fury's total out put vs Deontay Wilder I was 327 punches. The fight lasted the full 12 rounds. I.E Deontay Wilder's total out put was 430 punches. The fight was a draw, Fury was backed up all night and decked twice once badly.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Usyk II was 492 punches 'The fight lasted the full 12 rounds. This is another 12 round fight were Joshua once again ether matched or produced a higher work rate than Tyson Fury'.

Tyson Fury's total out put vs Deontay Wilder II was 267 punches 'The fight lasted until the 7th round'.

Anthony Joshua's total out put vs Pulev was 310 punches 'The fight lasted until the 9th round. At the conclusion to the 7th round, Anthony Joshua had produced a work rate of 284 punches'.

Conclusion: As you can see, Joshua's endurance is nowhere near as bad as people make out. And a certain Tyson Fury's endurance is completely and utterly overrated by miles. I am not claiming that Joshua's endurance is great, but within this era of heavyweights? It is satisfactory.

Note: I have went on record and stated, that if Fury loses to Uysk 'It will be because he fatigues and starts making mistakes' etc.

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Fury will utterly brutalise him, Usyk gonna have a severe pizza face after the fight.

[kafkod]

"Anthony Joshua has a comparable level of endurance to Tyson Fury"

Joshua gasses after a good round of action and takes the next three off: Pulev and Usyk 2 are examples, in the Wlad fight he was gassed for 5 rounds straight. Joshua is a essentially a sprinter with vastly inferior stamina to Fury, who is a natural aerobic athlete. Emanuel Steward regarded Fury as having excellent stamina and "unbelievable co-ordination for a big man" among several other elite attributes. Steve Cunningham claimed that the Fury he sparred after their fight "moved like a middleweight". Even though there is a degree of exaggeration there is also a fundamental truth, which is that Fury was extremely fast and agile for his size. I take Manny Steward more seriously than "PrinceKool".

Ali and Tyson are absurdly overrated. Ali went life and death with a homeless man's Usyk in Karl Mildenberger, Tyson was a 5'10 T-Rex armed roided-up cruiser who got beaten from pillar to post by a 42/1 underdog fringe contender and a former 190 pounder. Your posts are nothing more than wish-fulfilment.

Was is the key word in what you wrote there. Fury has been ballooning up and down in weight, boozing. overeating and snorting coke for years since those days and will almost certainly come in 30+lbs heavier against Usyk than he weighed against Cunnungham.

He fights in a totally different way nowadays. And while the heart, talent, and boxing IQ are still there, the tricky, mobile, "riddler" with the high punch output and bottomless stamina who boxed the ears of Wlad Klitschko is gone for good.

Usyk will be fighting the bulldozer who flattened Deontay Wilder, not an unbeatable combination of the bulldozer and the riddler.