Comments Thread For: George Groves Backs Oleksandr Usyk To Beat Tyson Fury, Explains Why

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    #51
    Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez

    AJ was an ideal opponent for Usyk because AJ is a very good actual boxer (he has a poor chin so he has to be). But when you got someone who can outbox you and take your shots you are in trouble. No one else in the division has outboxed AJ. Usyk took away AJ's best point. You can also look at Usyk/CHisora an Usyk/Wetherspoon and Usyk/Dubois and see a guy who struggled a little against lower-ranked big guys

    Fury knows what strategy to use against who. That is what he is good at e.g. the way he moved forward against Wilder in the 2nd fight because he knew he couldn't fight going backwards. So no doubt he will use his size against Usyk. He has those advantages. But I think Usyk is very dangerous for him and given Fury is not fighting top guys most of the his career he could be in real trouble against Usyk. Usyk has the potenntial to take away Fury's key advantages like he did to AJ. It's just a question of whether Fury can adapt. Fury is a guy who thinks a lot so he could do.

    But given Fury is clearly scared of Usyk, That doesn't bode well for his chances. Normally I would say this is 55/45 fight in Fury's favor. But I see Fury as possibly being mentally weak (clearly scared of both Usyk and AJ) so I will go 50/50 at the moment
    Very sound, good points. Good, observation that Usyk is the only fighter who has ever out boxed Joshua 'And it was not by a big margin. Usyk's wins over Joshua, are not on the level of Floyd Mayweather Junior's wins over Canelo Alvarez type master class' But still very impressive as Joshua is a capable super heavyweight with power.

    Tyson Fury can read a fight very well, this is extremely apparent in interviews and how he speaks of fights in general 'I have seen this same trait with Tony Bellew'.

    Joshua is not as good in reading a fight, it does not come innately to him like it does with Fury 'I believe this is some sort of spatial ability, which is more of a innate talent'. That is why a good solid coach is important for Joshua, so they can aid him reading a fight.

    With experience I think fighters can get better and reading a fight, but it is due to analyzing past data 'Internally'.

    Somebody like Fury will make this calculations acutely on the spot or in the moment 'So I will at-least give him that amount of credit'.

    I just think this fight for Fury will be won and lost in training camp, because that same ability to read a fight and calculate acutely? Usyk is that type a fighter as well, and he has also been operating a higher operating speed 'Fighters from lower weight classes have to'.

    When James Toney moved up to Heavyweight out of condition, he continually made this point 'He was fighting bigger fighters, but not better fighters'.

    Joshua punch resistance is not really that bad, he has never been legitimately knocked out 'Fury in my opinion has been ****** out before by Wilder, during their first fight. Fury was effectively knocked out in that fight, but to his credit got up off a knock-out blow'.

    This is not a discredit to Fury, Buster Douglas was also effectively knocked out by Mike Tyson 'Douglas got up and fought on'. At certain points in boxing history, there was no 10 count 'If a fighter got up, then the fight went on'.

    Note: Joshua in my opinion, was decked by a more powerful punch from Kiltschko 'And got up damaged, but with a smile on his face'. Joshua was also stopped on his feet with a smile on his face vs Ruiz I 'So overall Joshua's punch resistance is not super elite, but it is not what I would describe as catastrophic'.

    I have not actually picked a winner, but the evidence is compiling 'Theories are being devised'. People can envision multiple ways both fighters can win.

    This is serious fight, it is not a straight forward fight for Tyson Fury 'Even though I believe his best chance is to impose his superior inside game, and keep the fight there. People make that sound, really straight forward'.

    That was not even straight forward for Fury vs Wilder 'And skill for skill Wilder is not on the level of Usyk, but he had game altering power'.

    The stance I am taking mate, is that? I look at both fighters, and I will try and understand how they can be beaten 'I will create my own theories'. I have spoken about how both fighters can win this fight, but at this stage right now 'I seem to be finding more ways Usyk can win against this version of Fury'.

    I have already stated that, The Riddler 2015 that version of Fury stylistically is not as good a fight for Usyk 'Now is a better time for Usyk to fight Tyson Fury' etc.



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