Comments Thread For: George Groves Backs Oleksandr Usyk To Beat Tyson Fury, Explains Why

[AmpMcv]

Usyk just got knocked out by Dubios via bodyshot, Groves is cracked.

No he didn't. Usyk stopped Dubois with a jab in the 9th if I recall correctly.

[kafkod]

You can read Usyk's mind in that gif ...

"Ok, so now I know not to stand still by ropes with hands over ears when we fight. Thank you, Greedy Belly!

[Roberto Vasquez]

I think Fury has the advantage in physical attributes but given Cunningham outboxed Fury. Usyk could do the same. I would see it as a 50/50 fight but given Fury has been the one running from the fight. It implies Fury doesn't believe in himself to win

Here is what Fury said about Cunningham :

"He was a three-time cruiserweight champion and then he stepped up into the heavyweights. He was a slick, talented boxer and I tried to walk him down using my size and power, but he was just outboxing me. What I'm good at - boxing, moving, slipping and sliding - I couldn't do against Steve Cunningham because he was quicker than me. It was like he was a better boxer all round than me. I couldn't do nothing with him, and he knocked me over even though he was a light puncher supposedly. "

[PunchyPotorff]

Anything can happen in the ring... and we've seen it happen time and time again over the years.
IMO Fury wears his man down with body shots and KOs him late from them.
Just my 37 cents worth, that's all.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I think Fury has the advantage in physical attributes but given Cunningham outboxed Fury. Usyk could do the same. I would see it as a 50/50 fight but given Fury has been the one running from the fight. It implies Fury doesn't believe in himself to win

Here is what Fury said about Cunningham :

"He was a three-time cruiserweight champion and then he stepped up into the heavyweights. He was a slick, talented boxer and I tried to walk him down using my size and power, but he was just outboxing me. What I'm good at - boxing, moving, slipping and sliding - I couldn't do against Steve Cunningham because he was quicker than me. It was like he was a better boxer all round than me. I couldn't do nothing with him, and he knocked me over even though he was a light puncher supposedly. "

Do you think Fury has a higher Vo2max than Usyk? Do you think Fury has a greater power to weight ratio than Usyk? Do you think he has more intramuscular co-ordination than Usyk? Do you think Fury is more explosive? Do you think he has greater overall speed? The honest answer to all of these questions is no, NO Tyson Fury does have a higher level of fitness in any one of these area's 'I am almost certain of this'.

All I see is people who constantly keep ****ing on about Fury's weight and dimensions 'These are cliche observations, and there is more to sporting performance and fighting than those attributes'.

If people are basing their entire theory on Tyson Fury winning this fight vs Usyk 'Just based off those two cliche observations, then their theories are going to be taken apart'.

I am not saying that Tyson Fury is not going to win, but I have already devised my own theories on how Fury can win 'And contrary to universal boxing opinion, I don't think Tyson Fury has a broad spectrum of tactics he can use to win vs Usyk.

I don't believe that Fury at this stage of his career can out box Usyk from long range, Fury is not 246-248 pounds anymore 'Fury tried to bring back the Riddler when he first came back to the game. Fury tried his best to duplicate his former condition and form, which he had while training under Peter Fury. And to a certain extent Fury done a satisfactory job, but it just was just not good enough 'Fighters breach his defenses and find him inside the ring, fighters that skill for skill were nowhere near the level of Wladimir Kiltschko'.

Tyson Fury was effectively knocked out by Deontay Wilder in their first fight, and Fury was then battered and busted up real good vs Wallin 'It was then after these fights on the eve of Wilder II, did Fury decide to alter his style and revert back to type'.

And ever since Fury has been fighting with this some say Kronk Fury style, which consist of 'Basis long range, to mid-range game, main emphasis on inside game and rough house tactics'.

If Tyson Fury cannot impose his inside game on Usyk, if he cannot dominate and keep the fight within this area? Two things are according to my observation and theories are going to happen 1: Fury will be dropping rounds to Usyk in a very similar way to how Joshua was. 2: Fury will struggle with the pace of the fight, and as he does in all of his fights at a decent pace? Fury will start producing unforced errors' Fury did this vs Wilder, he did it vs Wallin, Fury has done this throughout his entire career 'Fury is a innately clumsy fighter'.

The difference between Joshua and Fury is 'Joshua may not be a naturally gifted fighter like Fury. But technically Joshua in terms of pure boxing, is s more technically correct and fundamentally sound boxer than Tyson Fury. In Joshua's two fights with Usyk, skill for skill Joshua vs Uysk I & II are the highest level pure boxing matches that have taken place in the Heavyweight division over this past decade.

Skill for skill there have been no Heavyweight match ups, that rival the level of action skill for skill that was displayed during Joshua vs Usyk I & II 'In regards of pure boxing from Mid-Long range game'.

Neither fighter was making that many or very few unforced errors, Joshua quite simply just lost both fights due to Usyk's superior endurance and in my opinion faster operational speed.

Great snooker players, have the ability to see 2-3 cues ahead into the future of the game 'And with this perception, they anticipate moves'. Great boxers break down the action of the fight in the same manner, they are not 100% reacting inside the ring they are anticipating and then performing moves before the other fighter has even produced the action'.

That is the type of fighter Joshua encountered in Usyk 'And that is why nobody on this forum, can make the claim that Joshua is not a capable boxer. Joshua had two fights with Usyk, and both the fights over 24 rounds were competitive'.

Anthony Joshua is the most proven pure boxer within the Heavyweight division outside of Fury and Uyskk.

Note: But what people overlook when it comes to Tyson Fury, is that he has not actual fought at elite level skill for skill in terms of pure boxing since Wladimir Kiltschko 'And that was 7-8 years ago'. Fury since then has pretty much taken on fights that were all stylistically easy fights for him, Wilder apart from his power is not a great boxer and Fury out weighed him on average by 40 pounds, Whyte could hardly move and he is not a great boxer, and a Semi-retire Chisora again these fights are not really testing or preparing Fury in m opinion 'Especially his last two fights'.

Were as in comparison, Usyk has fought a super heavyweight twice in Anthony Joshua 'Joshua is a capable proven boxer, a technically fundamentally sound boxer who hits with more power than Fury'.

Usyk overall in his career is more experienced at fighting at elite level skill for skill, and at Heavyweight he has been fighting at a level closer to Fury levels 'Fury has not been fighting at a level which has any correlation to Usyk, Fury in my observation has fought no fighters that prepare him for Uysk'.

I have not picked a winner between Fury & Uysk. but I am not one of these people who believe it is just a straight forward fight for Fury 'Not this version of Fury on current known form' etc.

Note: I am not having a go at you, it was just that YOUR post sparked some idea's within me. I am also not devaluing Deontay Wilder as a fighter, I rate him extremely highly within this era of Heavyweights 'But skill for skill Wilder is not a elite level boxer in terms of pure boxing' etc.

[elfag]

I think Fury has the advantage in physical attributes but given Cunningham outboxed Fury. Usyk could do the same. I would see it as a 50/50 fight but given Fury has been the one running from the fight. It implies Fury doesn't believe in himself to win

Here is what Fury said about Cunningham :

"He was a three-time cruiserweight champion and then he stepped up into the heavyweights. He was a slick, talented boxer and I tried to walk him down using my size and power, but he was just outboxing me. What I'm good at - boxing, moving, slipping and sliding - I couldn't do against Steve Cunningham because he was quicker than me. It was like he was a better boxer all round than me. I couldn't do nothing with him, and he knocked me over even though he was a light puncher supposedly. "

Cunningham was 10 years ago. Tyson has clearly improved and developed new techniques in the last 10 years.

[elfag]

Do you think Fury has a higher Vo2max than Usyk? Do you think Fury has a greater power to weight ratio than Usyk? Do you think he has more intramuscular co-ordination than Usyk? Do you think Fury is more explosive? Do you think he has greater overall speed? The honest answer to all of these questions is no, NO Tyson Fury does have a higher level of fitness in any one of those area's 'I am almost certain of this'.

All I see is people who constantly keep ****ing on about Fury's weight and dimensions 'These are cliche observations, and there is more to sporting performance and fighting than those attributes'.

Usyk's advantages should be stamina and speed but what you have in Fury is a guy who is 260-270 pounds who doesnt fade late who has stamina in the 12th round. If Usyk's VO2max is better it doesnt matter because Tyson has great stamina himself plus 50 pounds and 6 inches reach on Usyk. If Tyson was merely another large boxer he would be another Valuev with multiple losses, not the lineal undefeated champ.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Tyson Fury does not have anywhere near the level of endurance of Usyk.

Anthony Joshua has a comparable level of endurance to Tyson Fury 'In all of Joshua's top level fights, he has ether matched or produced a higher work rate than Tyson Fury when you compare their top level fights'.

This notion that Fury has elite level endurance, is quite simply narrative that has been created by the boxing media and his hardcore fans 'Fury's endurance is not bad, but objectively Fury statistically does not have elite level endurance'.

Usyk in some of his top level fights has produced a work rate which is 100% greater than Fury's level of intensity 'I am not making any of this up, Uysk has in some of his fights out worked Fury with twice the level of intensity'.

Usyk is a 220 pound Heavyweight who statistically has produced a higher work-rate than a peak Ricky Hatton 'In some of his fights'. I have been over this subject this before, and made post about it specifically in the past 'With the raw data'.

Hardcore Fury fans need to really understand, that these media narratives such as 'Fury is a 270 + pound Heavyweight that moves like a middle weight'. These narratives are based off utter nonsense, and I think describing Fury in this manner as a fighter is actually insulting to past great fighters like Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson, that actually had comparable speed to lower weight class fighters.

I am telling you right now, this is not a computer game. This is real life fighting, so therefore I will base my theories and projections off real feats of achievement and raw sporting evidence.

Note: If Tyson Fury loses this fight to Usyk, in my honest opinion it will be in a similar fashion to how Joshua lost etc.

[takenotes]

Fury is gonna mog the midget. There is no way Usyk hurts him and you bet Fury will be going after that body. Fury will knock him out unless Usyk is on his bike all night. 6 inches and 50+ pounds is just way too much

[NEETzschean]

Tyson Fury does not have anywhere near the level of endurance of Usyk.

Anthony Joshua has a comparable level of endurance to Tyson Fury 'In all of Joshua's top level fights, he has ether matched or produced a higher work rate than Tyson Fury when you compare their top level fights'.

This notion that Fury has elite level endurance, is quite simply narrative that has been created by the boxing media and his hardcore fans 'Fury's endurance is not bad, but objectively Fury statistically does not have elite level endurance'.

Usyk in some of his top level fights has produced a work rate which is 100% greater than Fury's level of intensity 'I am not making any of this up, Uysk has in some of his fights out worked Fury with twice the level of intensity'.

Usyk is a 220 pound Heavyweight who statistically has produced a higher work-rate than a peak Ricky Hatton 'In some of his fights'. I have been over this subject this before, and made post about it specifically in the past 'With the raw data'.

Hardcore Fury fans need to really understand, that these media narratives such as 'Fury is a 270 + pound Heavyweight that moves like a middle weight'. These narratives are based off utter nonsense, and I think describing Fury in this manner as a fighter is actually insulting to past great fighters like Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson, that actually had comparable speed to lower weight class fighters.

I am telling you right now, this is not a computer game. This is real life fighting, so therefore I will base my theories and projections off real feats of achievement and raw sporting evidence.

Note: If Tyson Fury loses this fight to Usyk, in my honest opinion it will be in a similar fashion to how Joshua lost etc.

"Anthony Joshua has a comparable level of endurance to Tyson Fury"

Joshua gasses after a good round of action and takes the next three off: Pulev and Usyk 2 are examples, in the Wlad fight he was gassed for 5 rounds straight. Joshua is a essentially a sprinter with vastly inferior stamina to Fury, who is a natural aerobic athlete. Emanuel Steward regarded Fury as having excellent stamina and "unbelievable co-ordination for a big man" among several other elite attributes. Steve Cunningham claimed that the Fury he sparred after their fight "moved like a middleweight". Even though there is a degree of exaggeration there is also a fundamental truth, which is that Fury was extremely fast and agile for his size. I take Manny Steward more seriously than "PrinceKool".

Ali and Tyson are absurdly overrated. Ali went life and death with a homeless man's Usyk in Karl Mildenberger, Tyson was a 5'10 T-Rex armed roided-up cruiser who got beaten from pillar to post by a 42/1 underdog fringe contender and a former 190 pounder. Your posts are nothing more than wish-fulfilment.