Casual Fans overlooking Fury's mastery of his Era?

[QueensburyRules]

That would be just a guess.

In shape?? He'd certainly have looked a lot better.



I'm facinated to see what Ngannou and Joshua can do with each other. Its a great match in this moment.

Ngannou doesn't hold an advanced belt in any martial art. He's never had a Muay Thai match, a Judo match, or a Jujitsu match. He's never had a single Freestyle, Greco-Roman or Folk style wresting match. He knows no Karate or Taekwon-do.
He began fighting and winning in professional MMA fights in November 2013 under the tutelage of Fernand Lopez, and all he had ever done was Boxing. Lopez sought to quickly tack on the additional aspects of MMA, and his creation went on to virtually wipe out the best that MMA could offer, using Boxing as his base.
Those who beleive that Fury - Ngannou was Francis' intro to boxing are ill-informed to say the least.

You want my guess?
I'm guessing that Joshua will handle the situation and that Fury could have too, had he taken his boxing- proficient opponent seriously. But Ngannou boxing is a walkover for nobody.

- - Debut is debut whether Ama or Pro…duh…

Blubber continues to embarrass boxing who have been propping up during his bogus comeback, so of course you want to keep spinning for him…

[MONGOOSE66]

Some think the Usyk fight is easy money for Fury too. Why didn't he just grab the "bag" on 23rd December?

Cause he’s a fat slob enjoying the good life. You’d be different??

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Debut is debut whether Ama or Pro…duh…

Blubber continues to embarrass boxing who have been propping up during his bogus comeback, so of course you want to keep spinning for him…

Well he does embarass boxing, the title and himself. It's been a pattern, and I'm as annoyed about it as anyone.

but......
Pesky as that is, he remains just one of two undefeated world heavyweight champions in the lineage.

....for now anyway.

But my main props went towards Joshua in that post.

[juggernaut666]

"Until they make a lineal belt it’s just a made up title one is appointed".

The musings of a very young, very casual, and not particularly bright fight fan. The world is full of them.

Very few people who are intellectually limited actually know it, and you are way over your head here.

World history doesn't bend to your opionions by friend.


Go for it brother! Get one without getting your nose broken!:

https://www.amazon.com.au/MAXAN-Adult-Boxing-Champion-Title/dp/B08HPWJ1SD

Says the guy making a thread a casual would make in itself ?

[dan-b]

Cause he’s a fat slob enjoying the good life. You’d be different??

I don't understand what you're attempting to achieve by asking what I'd do. I'm not claiming to be the heavyweight champion of the world.

It's fair to compare him to the last great heavyweight champion, Lennox Lewis. He compares badly in my opinion, what's your opinion on that comparison?

[HandsofIron]

Fury mastery of this era? This the same Fury that got spanked by a bum ass UFC fighter we talking about?

All jokes aside, Fury is an overrated, hype job. Fury wins because he's big, that's it, nothing special about him.

And because of his big ass, size, Fury will most likely beat everyone in this era. Again not because of talent or skill but because of size.

[Willow The Wisp]

He most certainly did not clearly win that fight. I broke it down round by round. Can you do the same?



Thing is, we all know you're ridiculously biased in favor of boxing, and of Fury in general, this thread just being proof. I respect your knowledge, but I don't see how anyone can claim Fury clearly won that fight. I'd love to see you do as I did and break the fight down. I'm confident mine will stand up to scrutiny, even if you want to watch it on slow. There weren't that many punches. It's pretty obvious.

I did watch it, but I cast my vote with the judges who scored it a Fury win. Subjectivity in action!!!

[Willow The Wisp]

"The title lineage is empirical and longstanding.The principles upon which the title was built and maintained have never been in dispute."

This is a clear example of a logical fallacy known as the "category error." You are talking about an abstract idea, based upon subjective interpretation of historical facts, as if that abstract idea was itself a historical fact.

The lineage of world heavyweight boxing champions exists in the annals of sporting history. It is simply a list of who beat who, when and where, in a world heavyweight title fight. As such, you can say that it has empirical, objective reality.

The lineal title does not exist and never has existed, except as an idea in the minds of people who think and talk about boxing. As such, the lineal title has no empirical, objective reality. Which is why this thread is now 8 pages long.

That entire post is inaccurate, very silly, and specious.
Nobody but a fool would support that "argument".

[kafkod]

That entire post is inaccurate, very silly, and specious.
Nobody but a fool would support that "argument".

Only foolish people, who don't know how to think critically, make category errors like the one I highlighted in my post, and don't understand the mistake they made, even when it's pointed out to them.

[Willow The Wisp]

Only foolish people, who don't know how to think critically, make category errors like the one I highlighted in my post, and don't understand the mistake they made, even when it's pointed out to them.

Lol. I'll bite.

So what, Mr. History denying alt theorist, is your acertion here? That the Heavyweight championship is a myth outside of the belts that the WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, etc. Hand out?
Let's not lose sight of the issue while we sling insuts.