Why is Wilder still considered elite?

[daggum]

Wilder has "elite" power. He will always be in talks among the elites as long as he KO's every opponent put in front of him not named Fury. If he wasn't so elite, I imagine AJ wouldn't have been ducking him for years. Still not elite enough for AJ, right?

elite punchers have ko'd more than 1 top 10 opponent. you are confusing ko'ing bums which is easy with ko'ing good fighters which is hard. also wilder clearly ducked joshua for years rejecting all of his offers. wilder was making 1 million and joshua offers him 12. now wilder fanatics say that was a lowball lmao. 100 million? nope not good enough. i think its been clearly proven wilder was the ducker given the circumstances and his sh-it resume. he even admitted the 100 million was real so facts simply dont matteri guess

[crimsonfalcon07]

because the guys he fought werent good?

The other guys also have plenty of non top 10 competition, but they didn't manage to knock them out.

What makes Kevin Johnson, or Francisco Pianeta so great? Jermaine Franklin is some elite dude now? Chris Arreola? Raphael Love? Joel Godfrey? Siarhei Lakhovich? Homero Fonseca? Zach Page? Tomas Mrazek? Etc.

There are tons of cans on the resumes of AJ, Fury, Ruiz, etc, that the aforementioned failed to knock out. That's why this argument is so ******. NONE of the top heavyweights have fought top competition with any kind of consistency, with Fury having the worst activity, yet he's acclaimed the top guy on the strength of beating Wilder twice, and Klitschko once (while on PEDs).

[daggum]

His resume is poor but the right hand is legit. Even some durable fighters have been put to sleep. There is not one fighter that has faced him and said he doesn't hit that hard. If anything some don't even know they got KOed. His skills suck and when he does the windmill it is embarrassing. For someone that started so late in boxing he has had a decent career.

wilder has a 33% ko ratio when facing top 10 opponents so lets not pretend like hes unstoppable. hes simply been facing weak opponents for the most part and its easier to ko weak opponents.

[crimsonfalcon07]

wilder has a 33% ko ratio when facing top 10 opponents so lets not pretend like hes unstoppable. hes simply been facing weak opponents for the most part and its easier to ko weak opponents.

Wilder has a 100% KO "ratio" against non top 10 opponents, and none of the other champs or former champs do. Why not, if it's so easy to knockout non top 10 opponents? Double standards all day long from you. I don't think Wilder is elite, but denying that he's good at knocking guys out is just delusional. That top guy he didn't knock out? He still put him on the canvas 4 times. That other top guy he's knocked out twice? Nobody else has been able to knock him out, even in his 40's.

[daggum]

Wilder has a 100% KO "ratio" against non top 10 opponents, and none of the other champs or former champs do. Why not, if it's so easy to knockout non top 10 opponents? Double standards all day long from you. I don't think Wilder is elite, but denying that he's good at knocking guys out is just delusional. That top guy he didn't knock out? He still put him on the canvas 4 times. That other top guy he's knocked out twice? Nobody else has been able to knock him out, even in his 40's.

why would anyone even pay attention to how many bums someone has knocked out? thats absurd. go watch kimbo slice

[daggum]

The other guys also have plenty of non top 10 competition, but they didn't manage to knock them out.

What makes Kevin Johnson, or Francisco Pianeta so great? Jermaine Franklin is some elite dude now? Chris Arreola? Raphael Love? Joel Godfrey? Siarhei Lakhovich? Homero Fonseca? Zach Page? Tomas Mrazek? Etc.

There are tons of cans on the resumes of AJ, Fury, Ruiz, etc, that the aforementioned failed to knock out. That's why this argument is so ******. NONE of the top heavyweights have fought top competition with any kind of consistency, with Fury having the worst activity, yet he's acclaimed the top guy on the strength of beating Wilder twice, and Klitschko once (while on PEDs).

i think you are confusing yourself. no one said those guys were great or elite? straw man alert? the point is no one cares when someone fights bums, and no one cares how you win against bums. they are meaningless fights to which you are trying to give meaning. instead of focusing on why is wilder fighting so many bums and unranked fighters, you are focusing on "well he ko'd those bums!" who effing cares!

and the proof that hes not some amazing puncher is right there in front of you. hes had 6 fights against top 5 guys and has 2 ko's. thats 33 percent. thats a dramatic difference in power wouldnt you say? also when you know wilder is a terrible boxer and has to rely on his power to win his fights and its much harder for him to ko good opponents...now you can see why he has avoided so many good opponents. its harder to beat them because he probably is going to need more than power which he doesnt have. ta-da!

[pollywog]

...because someone still believes they can pimp his ass for a quick buck.

[hugh grant]

The thing is wilder knows he's not best anyone of note. And he reads these forums so knows that's what most think too.
So why not fight Zhang in response if fighting Ruiz is such an ordeal?

[daggum]

The thing is wilder knows he's not best anyone of note. And he reads these forums so knows that's what most think too.
So why not fight Zhang in response if fighting Ruiz is such an ordeal?

its unlikely a guy who spent his entire career not fighting tough opponents on purpose is suddenly going to do that, its possible he has a crisis of conscious, but this is a guy who fights mentally challenged people and a guy who says mind bobblin. hes also very easily manipulated as we saw him blunder the joshua situation and lost tens of millions of dollars in the process only to lose in humiliating fashion instead

[hugh grant]

Canelo is elite. Wilder is glorified for doing nothing.

Nel o since losing to bivo l is at least active still and beating proven fighters in ggg. Wilder is living off of his losses to fury, and don't even need to prove he's better than that.