Comments Thread For: Gary Russell Jr. Believes That His Brother, Gary Antuanne, Has The "Cheat-code" To Beat Jaron Ennis

[Eff Pandas]

Yeah, he looks good. Just amused by all the people saying the only guy with official wins has nothing for him. Beating him 3 of 4 times does suggest something, amateurs or not.

I would agree with this 95% or more of the time (Keyshawn losing to Andy 4x or w/e is something I've mentioned a few times myself), but I think in this case GAR has a super am friendly style & I think 36mins with Boots as a pro is gonna be a whole other thing than 9mins with him as a am. Like I said tho these are two of my fav boxers rn so I'd love to see it at some point regardless of who wins.

[joseph5620]

Yeah, he looks good. Just amused by all the people saying the only guy with official wins has nothing for him. Beating him 3 of 4 times does suggest something, amateurs or not.

Wins in the amateurs mean absolutely nothing in pro boxing. Nothing.

[Eff Pandas]

Wins in the amateurs mean absolutely nothing in pro boxing. Nothing.

I'd agree with you about "A" win 100%. "Multiple" wins where there is a decided edge are different tho.

4-0 like Andy over Keyshawn is one that screams Keyshawn ain't got what it takes to beat Andy. Obviously it might end up meaning nothing, as in this Boots vs GAR potential situation imho obv, but I think more often than not it means something. Its just a matter of if it means something this specific time.

Randomly if Boxrec had more complete am records I'd love to research them & see what % of the time a guy beat a guy say 75% of the time or more in at least 3 am fights & then lost to them as a pro. I'd bet its rare & the less likely outcome by a wide %.

[SUBZER0ED]

Big bro says little bro had Boots' number in the amateurs and has it now, but he needs 2-3 years before he's ready to fight him in the pros. What kind of weak ass "cheat code" is that?

[crimsonfalcon07]

Wins in the amateurs mean absolutely nothing in pro boxing. Nothing.

That's a really ****** take. The list of world champions is absolutely littered with guys who won Olympic medals, for instance.

Just some recent ones: Yuriorkis Gamboa, Robeisy Ramirez, Shakur Stevenson, Vasily Lomachenko, Pernell Whitaker, Oscar De La Hoya, Amir Khan, Ryota Murata, Joe Frazier, Lennox Lewis, Rid**** Bowe, Artur Beterbiev, Ray Mercer, Oleksandr Usyk, Wladimir Klitschko, Anthony Joshua.

Amateur success absolutely is a statistically good predictor for pro success.

I'd agree that one win wouldn't mean anything, and may not even mean much in the pros. Take Chocolatito and Estrada for instance. Close fights basically every time they fought, with the younger fighter eventually winning the game with the assistance of Father Time. Likely same story with Canelo and GGG. Then there's Andy Ruiz v AJ. Couldn't repeat the feat on a different night. But when Usyk beats AJ twice, Zhang beats Joyce twice, Fury beats Wilder twice, you don't really think that a future fight would go differently. Other times it's decisive enough in one fight

But when there's four fights and 75% of them went one way, that's a pretty good indicator that one guy has an edge. It's not going to translate exactly from amateurs to the pros, but it's not meaningless either.

[real raw]

Sounds great but Jaron Ennis hasn't actually beaten any of those guys and neither did Antuanne Russell but.... I can tell you who Russell actually did beat, and that is Jaron Ennis, and he beat him more than once.

over 30 professional fights ago.

[joseph5620]

I'd agree with you about "A" win 100%. "Multiple" wins where there is a decided edge are different tho.

4-0 like Andy over Keyshawn is one that screams Keyshawn ain't got what it takes to beat Andy. Obviously it might end up meaning nothing, as in this Boots vs GAR potential situation imho obv, but I think more often than not it means something. Its just a matter of if it means something this specific time.

Randomly if Boxrec had more complete am records I'd love to research them & see what % of the time a guy beat a guy say 75% of the time or more in at least 3 am fights & then lost to them as a pro. I'd bet its rare & the less likely outcome by a wide %.

I don't agree because they are 3 round fights and amateur boxing is much different from professional boxing. I can give you multiple examples of fighters losing fights in the amateurs against fighters that wouldnt stand a chance against them in the pro's. Most fighters evolve and improve after their amateur career. It's not the same at all.

[joseph5620]

That's a really ****** take. The list of world champions is absolutely littered with guys who won Olympic medals, for instance.

Just some recent ones: Yuriorkis Gamboa, Robeisy Ramirez, Shakur Stevenson, Vasily Lomachenko, Pernell Whitaker, Oscar De La Hoya, Amir Khan, Ryota Murata, Joe Frazier, Lennox Lewis, Rid**** Bowe, Artur Beterbiev, Ray Mercer, Oleksandr Usyk, Wladimir Klitschko, Anthony Joshua.

Amateur success absolutely is a statistically good predictor for pro success.

I'd agree that one win wouldn't mean anything, and may not even mean much in the pros. Take Chocolatito and Estrada for instance. Close fights basically every time they fought, with the younger fighter eventually winning the game with the assistance of Father Time. Likely same story with Canelo and GGG. Then there's Andy Ruiz v AJ. Couldn't repeat the feat on a different night. But when Usyk beats AJ twice, Zhang beats Joyce twice, Fury beats Wilder twice, you don't really think that a future fight would go differently. Other times it's decisive enough in one fight

But when there's four fights and 75% of them went one way, that's a pretty good indicator that one guy has an edge. It's not going to translate exactly from amateurs to the pros, but it's not meaningless either.

Actually your take is really ******. I was just being polite. Look up the amateur fighters that beat Mayweather and Ray Leonard in the amateurs and compare their professional careers. Start with Randy Sheilds and Sugar Ray Leonard. There are plenty of examples I can give you. Shawn Porter beat Usyk and Andrade. Using your ridiculous logic that means he beats them now too.


After you do some research maybe you'll realize how ignorant and dumb your view is on this topic.

[Eff Pandas]

I don't agree because they are 3 round fights and amateur boxing is much different from professional boxing. I can give you multiple examples of fighters losing fights in the amateurs against fighters that wouldnt stand a chance against them in the pro's. Most fighters evolve and improve after their amateur career. It's not the same at all.

Am boxing is obv not the same as pro boxing. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Its similar tho.

And some guys got similar am styles as pro styles. Or similar things that made them good as an amateur makes them good as a pro. Esp high level guys I'd argue. So there is some apple to apple comparisons to make that will only grow wider in a 12 rd fight outside of a guy having stamina issues or something.

And sheeeeeet I can name you plenty of guys who beat someone as an am that lost to them as a pro or would have, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about guys who dominated someone as an am in multiple fights & didn't as a pro. I bet you can't come up with 3 examples of guys who lost 75% of the time in 3 or more fights that beat the same guy as a pro.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Actually your take is really ******. I was just being polite. Look up the amateur fighters that beat Mayweather and Ray Leonard in the amateurs and compare their professional careers. Start with Randy Sheilds and Sugar Ray Leonard. There are plenty of examples I can give you. Shawn Porter beat Usyk and Andrade. Using your ridiculous logic that means he beats them now too.


After you do some research maybe you'll realize how ignorant and dumb your view is on this topic.

You are bad at reading it seems. Go back and reread before you respond again and make yourself look dumber. Of course one fight doesn't mean anything. Doesn't really mean much in the pros either unless it was dominant. What are you on about?