Comments Thread For: Devin Haney: "Only Compare Me To Greats"

[Eff Pandas]

Swing rounds aren't in the rules. Tie rounds are. If the round is actually even, it's supposed to be scored even.

Judges are usually steered away from tie rds. You think there should be more of them & I agree, but the reality is they are considered things bad judges do if you here long time judges discuss the topic.

And swing rds don't need to be in the rules. Its simply a rd where there is dispute. One judge could prefer x, another could prefer y & in a close rd they give to different guys off of that.

Haney needs to be given every "swing" round to win, and he got outlanded in all but 3 rounds.

Not true at all. I would agree the rds Loma won clearly he won them more clearly if thats a thing.

Rewatch it on slow motion and count landed punches and recall the "effective aggression" metric and give us your scorecard, please.

Look man I'm not watching this fight again let alone on slomo lmfao. It wasn't even THAT good of a fight, but I'd argue if you gotta watch the fight on slomo to determine who won it was a pretty fooking close fight.

Then there's the false narrative that "to be the champ you have to beat the champ" means that you have to win clearly. That's nonsense.

100% agree with you here.

I do subscribe to the concept that there are close enough fights with enough swing rds that the margin of error between either guy winning is possible without anything corrupt, biased or sketchy needing to be involved. And this fight qualifies as that for me based on what I saw, the official cards & what the overall boxrec fan scorecards are saying.

The biggest thing that smelled like a rat to me was the narratives being pushed throughout fight week, about "Loma is old; does he have one more great performance; only a handful of old fighters have won this sort of fight.". Then when Muratalla was asked who he wanted next, and said "I want the winner of the main event," Top Rank said "You think you deserve Devin Haney?" Fight hadn't even happened yet, and they were acting like Haney had won.

Yea idk about all this bs. I'm not big on things ppl say in boxing to hype or downplay things in general. And I definitely don't think TR is fooking over their own guy for a guy whos gonna be a free agent after the fight. I don't question promoters doing sketchy sh^t on some level, but this is big sketchy sh^t that doesn't even help them lol. Why fook over Loma for a guy you don't have rights too?

[Boricua181]

You're no where near great yet, you have a long way to go, and many more fights to win, in order to be considered great!

[AmpMcv]

Disagree. The only ppl who think Devin clearly won OR Loma clearly won are fan boys of either guy or ppl who can't distinguish swing rds either guy could've won. This was a close competitive fight that could have went either way & I'd have been cool with it whichever way it went, but it did go Devin's way.

Devin lost.

[Smash]

“Pound-for-pound number one,” said an excited Bill with respect to his son's victory. “Don’t doubt him no more, crown him. He's number one in the world.”

Bill Haney

after the loma fight, these things obviously run in the family
teo & his pops are the gold standard

[crimsonfalcon07]

-Snip-

I don't think it really is necessary to watch it again on slow mo to see that Loma won. Live scorecards were almost universally in favor of Loma, and the ones that thought it was possible for a tie or Haney usually said that they weren't trying to score it and just "felt" it might go that way or was too close to call. The only reason for rewatch is for those people who think Haney won to get it right, IMO.

When one guy wins more clear rounds, the rounds that could reasonably be scored for the other guy are close, and the guy who "wins" got outlanded in 9 rounds and was the only one in danger of being stopped, and even admits in the corner that the other fighter "knows everything I'm doing", it's wild to think that's a reasonable result.

[Eff Pandas]

Devin lost.

Thats fair. He clearly lost is fanboy sh^t as I said tho.

[Eff Pandas]

I don't think it really is necessary to watch it again on slow mo to see that Loma won. Live scorecards were almost universally in favor of Loma, and the ones that thought it was possible for a tie or Haney usually said that they weren't trying to score it and just "felt" it might go that way or was too close to call. The only reason for rewatch is for those people who think Haney won to get it right, IMO.

When one guy wins more clear rounds, the rounds that could reasonably be scored for the other guy are close, and the guy who "wins" got outlanded in 9 rounds and was the only one in danger of being stopped, and even admits in the corner that the other fighter "knows everything I'm doing", it's wild to think that's a reasonable result.

I disagree this matters if it was even true here, which it isn't, when there are so many close rds is are difference of opinion.

Half the fight were close rds. Thats a lot of close rds & even if you think Loma won the other 6 rds a draw dec isn't THAT crazy altho improbable. And Loma didnt win 6 rds clean so thats not even a potential reality.

Look I like punch stats & all punches matter or whatever, but damage matters too. This ain't amateur boxing back in the day.

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[djtmal]

Well you know who kissing his ass Big Dunn, Roablock, Bodybagz all those TMT/PBC/PCP boys.

He'll be getting full credit for squeaking past shopworn fighters in a minute

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I disagree this matters if it was even true here, which it isn't, when there are so many close rds is are difference of opinion.

Half the fight were close rds. Thats a lot of close rds & even if you think Loma won the other 6 rds a draw dec isn't THAT crazy altho improbable. And Loma didnt win 6 rds clean so thats not even a potential reality.

Look I like punch stats & all punches matter or whatever, but damage matters too. This ain't amateur boxing back in the day.

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“Look at his face doe”.

The Canelo fans said the same thing when GGG got jobbed.

Fights are scored round by round not by punch stats or who’s face has more bruises.

It was a close fight but the general consensus is Loma won.

[Eff Pandas]

I don't think it really is necessary to watch it again on slow mo to see that Loma won. Live scorecards were almost universally in favor of Loma, and the ones that thought it was possible for a tie or Haney usually said that they weren't trying to score it and just "felt" it might go that way or was too close to call. The only reason for rewatch is for those people who think Haney won to get it right, IMO.

When one guy wins more clear rounds, the rounds that could reasonably be scored for the other guy are close, and the guy who "wins" got outlanded in 9 rounds and was the only one in danger of being stopped, and even admits in the corner that the other fighter "knows everything I'm doing", it's wild to think that's a reasonable result.

Oh & you didn't touch on the TR stuff I asked you. What upside was in TR getting the judges to go for Devin when TR had no rights to Devin after that night? What do you think reallllllllly happened here or your theory if this wasn't just a close fight Loma was on the short end of?