Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury: Unifying Division Doesn't Mean **** To Me, I'm Looking For Biggest Payday

[siablo14]

Tyson Fury on the same dope as Tank and Jake Paul. Good for them. How long before the WBC strips or enforce a mandatory for his belt?

[Willow The Wisp]

Tyson Fury on the same dope as Tank and Jake Paul. Good for them. How long before the WBC strips or enforce a mandatory for his belt?

Case in point.

The WBC can and will do what they like with their title.
Give it to the winner of Big Baby Miller vs. Manuel Char if they like; it's their title.
But that has nothing to do with Tyson Fury being Heavyweight Champion of the World.

You should read my posts. You'll learn a lot! Honestly.
Not being flippant.

And FYI, Furry is fully up to date on his WBC Manditories, and on top of that, the WBC is blessing his Clash of the Worlds fight against the UFC GOAT Ngannou with a special title belt!!!!!
(So don't rely on them to support this Fury hate thing).

[siablo14]

Case in point.

The WBC can and will do what they like with their title.
Give it to the winner of Big Baby Miller vs. Manuel Char if they like; it's their title.
But that has nothing to do with Tyson Fury being Heavyweight Champion of the World.

You should read my posts. You'll learn a lot! Honestly.
Not being flippant.

And FYI, Furry is fully up to date on his WBC Manditories, and on top of that, the WBC is blessing his Clash of the Worlds fight against the UFC GOAT Ngannou with a special title belt!!!!!
(So don't rely on them to support this Fury hate thing).

I am not saying that I think Fury is afraid, I am saying he has been saying that he doesn't care about unifying the belts or facing other boxers but I don't see him dropping it so obviously he plans to retain it. When is his next mandatory challenge due?

[juggernaut666]

Case in point.

The WBC can and will do what they like with their title.
Give it to the winner of Big Baby Miller vs. Manuel Char if they like; it's their title.
But that has nothing to do with Tyson Fury being Heavyweight Champion of the World.

You should read my posts. You'll learn a lot! Honestly.
Not being flippant.

And FYI, Furry is fully up to date on his WBC Manditories, and on top of that, the WBC is blessing his Clash of the Worlds fight against the UFC GOAT Ngannou with a special title belt!!!!!
(So don't rely on them to support this Fury hate thing).

The goat lost to Cyril Ganes he was gifted that close fight if you know how to score MMA ,but my guess is you never watched any UFC fights so ? Beyond that The goat in MMA is Fedor Elelienenko more then Ngannou at least by a mile . You probably don’t know who that is which wouldn’t be a shocker either . Lol

[kafkod]

At Heavyweight however, the value of unification is very much diminished; because at the open weight, we have a clearly defined, meticulously recorded, fully empirical Liniage showing the champion as the man who beat the man, dating back to the ancient Greeks.
Any fissures or challenges to the order were quickly and universally closed across the millenia; retaining the undisputed title line intact.

A man-who-beat-the-man-lineage going back to the ancient Greeks? What brand of crack are you smoking?

There is a 2000 year+ gap between the last of the ancient Greeks and John L Sullivan, the first champion of the Marquess of Queensbury era!

And remember, Lennox Lewis retired undefeated, so nobody who came after Lennox can possibly have a man-who-beat-the-man lineage dating back any further than Wlad Klitschko.

[sege64]

Usyk really got into Fury's head...because Fury is unable to get into his. It's the age old pathetic bully syndrome, love to dish it out, but cannot take it himself.
This fight will never happen because Fury has got himself in such a mental state about it his mind would be all over the place going into the ring, plagued by fear and self doubt and he'd be utterly humiliated in front of the world. No matter how much money is on the line I don't see him ever having the balls to fight Uysk. His entire fragile ego and mental well being would be at stake.

He will retire a coward.

[Eff Pandas]

I get what you're saying here, and acknowledge that YOU aren't saying that Usyk isn't a draw, but there are absolutely people, and many of them, that claim Usyk isn't a draw at all, and will be fighting for peanuts without the "table scraps" from Fury. You may not be one of them, but they exist, and that notion simply isn't data driven.

For that matter, you make a lot of noise about Usyk's numbers coming from having a good dance partner, but the same holds true for Fury, as his 40K pull via Chisora indicates. If he gets any decent numbers from his next fight, I suspect it will be primarily casuals coming to support Ngannou. Fury's fan base has seriously diminished it with his antics.

No I mentioned that for both guys. I mentioned AJ is bigger than Deontay & PPV is cheaper in the UK. So Fury had to pull his own weight more than Usyk did to get the numbers he got with Deontay. Fury has too much engagement with fans, good & bad, to not be pushing numbers of his own. You don't put him in so many PPV's if he's not pushing numbers.

[GhostofDempsey]

He should fight Usyk so we have an undisputed champion, no question. But until WBC gets Jermall off his extended vacation where he hasn’t defended his title in over two years, Fury shouldn’t be held to a different standard. Floyd never fought for legacy or concerned himself with pursuing undisputed titles, he scammed his 50th win against a 0-0 MMA fighter. Let’s be consistent.

[baroidi]

consistent, sure, I blame mayweather for the current state of boxing. I've always said, Mayweather did great for himself, but he left boxing in a poorer state for fans because of his business model. Boxers are now protecting their 0s and chasing the high pay/no risk circus matches.

[Willow The Wisp]

The goat lost to Cyril Ganes he was gifted that close fight if you know how to score MMA ,but my guess is you never watched any UFC fights so ? Beyond that The goat in MMA is Fedor Elelienenko more then Ngannou at least by a mile . You probably don’t know who that is which wouldn’t be a shocker either . Lol

Well, I know a little something I guess.
I was a contributing writer to "Fighting Sports Newsletter" during 1995 - 97, a homespun monthly publication out of Duluth, GA which served as the very first English language publication for Mixed Martial Arts, and the first MMA magazine published and distributed in the U.S. We had a staple in the top left corner, all in black & white. Ground zero for publicizing the new sport.

Humble though it was, it opened the door for Sherdog, MMAJunkie, MMA Weekly, Cageside Press, FightMag, as well as paper mags like Extreme Fighter, Fighters Only, Grappling, Gracie Mag, Elite Fighters, UFC magazine, Real Fighter, Gladiator, Submission Fighter, etc.

Ngannou holds impressive wins over Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos, Jairzinho Rozenstruik, Andrei Arlovski, Stipe Miocic, Alistair Overeem, Curtis Blaydes, Anthony Hamilton, and beat Ciryl Gane unanimously and without much controversy.
You could argue that Gane wasn't his most impressive showing if you like, but Ngannou was already "moved on" to bigger and better things than being UFC champion by that time.

Know your conversation counterpart, Son.



Heavyweights in MMA Rules 1993 - 2023:

1. Fedor Emelianenko 40-7-0. RUS. 6-1. 2
2. Francis Ngannou. 17-3-0. CAM.
3. Stipe Miocic. 20-4-0. US
4. Antonio Robrigo Nogueira. 34-10-1. BRZ
5. Cain Velasquez. 14-3-0. US
6. Fabricio Werdum. 24-9-1. BRZ
7. Jon Jones. 27-1-0. US
8. Junior Dos Santos. 21-10-0. BRZ
9. Randy Couture. 19-11-0. US
10. Josh Barnett. 35-8-0. US
11. Tim Sylvia. 31-10-0. US
12. Vitor Belfort. 26-14-1 BRZ
13. Alistair Overeem. 47-19-0. NET
14. Royce Gracie. 15-2-3. BRZ
15. Ken Shamrock. 28-17-2. US
16. Mirko Filipovic. 38-11-2. CRO
17. Dan Severn. 101-19-7. US
18. Bas Rutten 28-4-1. NET
19. Daniel Cormier 22-3-0. US
20. Frank Mir. 19-13-0. US
21. Andrei Arlovski. 34-22-0. RUS
22. Mark Coleman. 16-10-0. US
23. Igor Vovchanchyn. 55-10-1. UKR
24. Brock Lesnar 5-3-0. US
25. Curtis Blaydes. 17-4-0. US
26. Ryan Bader. 31-7-0. US
27. Travis Browne. 18-7-1. US
28. Semmy Schilt. 26-14-1. NET
29. Ciryl Gane. 12-2-0. FRA
30. Don Frye. 21-9-1. US
31. Dan Henderson. 32-15-0. US
32. Cheick Congo. 31-12-3. FRA
33. Ben Rothwell. 37-14-0. US
34. Kazushi Sakuaba. 26-17-3. JAP
35. Marco Ruas. 9-4-2. BRZ
36. Wanderlei Silva. 35-14-2. BRZ
37. Derrick Lewis. 27-11-0. US
38. Mark Hunt. 13-14-1. NZ
39. Masakatsu Funaki. 40-13-2. JAP
40. Travis Wuiff. 78-22-1. US
41. Alexander Emelianenko. 28-9-1. RUS
42. Alexander Volkov. 36-10-0. RUS
43. Pedro Rizzo. 20-11-0. BRZ
44. Mark Kerr. 15-11-0. US
45. Maurice Smith. 14-14-0. US
46. Kazuyuki Fujita. 18-14-0. JAP
47. Antonio Silva. 19-15-1. BRZ
48. Kevin Randleman. 17-16. US
49. Ricco Rodriguez. 54-27-1. US
50. Jeff Monson. 61-27-2. US
Shane Carwin. 12-2-0. US
Oleg Taktarov. 17-5-2. RUS
Hidehiko Yoshida. 9-8-1. JAP
Roy Nelson. 23-19-0. US
Sergei Kharitonov. 34-9-2. RUS
Matt Mitrione. 13-9-1. US
Gabriel Gonzaga. 17-12-0. BRZ
Jairzinho Rozenstruik. 13-5-0. SUR


The UFC Heavyweight title history:

Royce Gracie. 1993
Steve Jennum. 1994
Royce Gracie. 1994
Dan Severn. 1995
Ken Shamrock. 1995
Oleg Taktarov. 1995
Marco Ruas. 1995
Don Frye. 1996
Mark Coleman. 1996
Vitor Belfort. 1997
Maurice Smith. 1997
Randy Couture. 1997
Bas Rutten. 1999
Kevin Randleman. 1999
Randy Couture. 2000
Josh Barnett. 2002
Rico Rodriguez. 2002
Tim Sylvia. 2003
Frank Mir. 2004
Andre Arlovski. 2005
Tim Sylvia. 2006
Randy Couture. 2007
Antonio Nogueira 2008
Brock Lesnar. 2008
Cain Velasquez. 2010
Junior Dos Santos 2011
Cain Velasquez. 2012
Fabricio Werdum. 2014
Stipe Miocic. 2016
Daniel Cormier. 2018
Stipe Miocic. 2019
Francis Ngannou 2021
Jon Jones. 2023