Comments Thread For: Canelo Says Bivol Made Rematch Negotiations Hard: 'I Tried My Best' To Make Deal Happen

[SteveM]

Lmaoo 45 percent for what? Bivol don't sell ****. 30 percent would still be 10x higher than any other payday he can get. Even Beterbuev fight won't be huge money bivoos manager said himself no money in it. Now rumoured to fight Lyndon Artur, he'll be lucky to clear 1 mil

How much did Bivol make in the first fight? Link please

[_Rexy_]

Never thought I’d see the day when bozos are talking about money being the motive, he’s dumb for taking less money to fight others and the like. It’s actually embarrassing to see this defense used, the man offered to come down a whole division as well in order to make the fight but it’s about money? How badly do you want to want a rematch, im willing to come down to give you some help in looking better and they still can’t negotiate. Canelo did not want that fight, PERIOD. Money is the excuse and folks are really trying to push the narrative. Dude said I’ll come take your straps a lower division of too and Canelo said “NO THANKS!!” Do y’all even comprehend how disrespectful that is for Bivol to say I’ll come down to your level and whoop your asssssss and you still find a way not to fight him. Let’s stick to the real narrative which is what I just mentioned. Dude gave him numerous ways to try and get his revenge and he said “nah im good.” There ain’t no way charlo vs Canelo outsells a bivol rematch, if y’all wanna be real, why? Most of us don’t feel charlo has a shot, but what most of us do feel is Canelo could get stopped by bivol. The Canelo fans would buy into the revenge angle as well since y’all fall for any okie doke he hits y’all with.

Canelo fans are going to watch regardless. But I know I didn't watch his fight against Ryder and I won't be watching this one.


Yall wanna pay $90 to watch what is likely a BS undercard, and a main event of Canelo pulling someone up two divisions again, have fun.

[_Rexy_]

Good for Bivol! I'm sure he's happy! His legacy is secured, by beating Canelo @ 175! He's 32 years old with 21 fights! I guess he can retire now!

Jesus you're being emotional over this.


10 years from now, when people look at Canelo's resume, they're not going to talk about purses, or the timing of the fights, they're not going to notice all the A side advantages, or hydration clauses either; but they will notice two losses that weren't even attempted at getting avenged.


Oh, and they'll probably think "What the **** is 155?"

[super-x]

When legacy and ego is on the line... a financial split wouldnt stop a fighter from attaining it. 60/40. Bivol would have taken. Ruiz got $6mil for Joshua 1, rematch got $10mil. Something similar would have got the fight made IF he really wanted it.

[_Rexy_]

When legacy and ego is on the line... a financial split wouldnt stop a fighter from attaining it. 60/40. Bivol would have taken. Ruiz got $6mil for Joshua 1, rematch got $10mil. Something similar would have got the fight made IF he really wanted it.

Bivol only got 3m for the first fight, and that was the offer for the second. Plant got 10m remember. But MF's are screaming that Bivol should have taken 3m to fight Canelo a second time to get potentially ****ed on the scorecards.

[landotter]

This was an comment section was an interesting read. Let me see if I can sum it up:


Camp A) Canelo got dusted, he knew he had zero chance, and refused anything that Bivol wanted to avoid the whupping that was coming. He is ducking and spitting out "save my image" garbage to preserve his image as best he can.

Camp B) Bivol is a non-entity who cannot even fight his main rival in the current environment. He was an idiot who turned down his best payday when he should have known he could beat Canelo again and just took the opportunity. He will likely have the one win over Canelo and nothing else for his career. He had no leverage, zero business sense, and his career will be a blip on the radar screen as Canelo lights up the entire screen as an ATG despite the loss.

Sure does not seem to be anything between these two camps.

Except of course me. I think the deal killer was Bivol's insistence that Canelo put his SMW title on the line. No chance Canelo was going to do that, as Bivol took him down so easy the first time. Bivol saw no advantage to the fight happening at LHW again as it opened no other doors for him, but having the titles at SMW would. If Canelo agreed to the put up his titles, it happens at all the same money as Bivol now has something to gain. If Bivol agreed to LHW, I feel it happens and Bivol gets a little extra cheddar this time as the legit winner of the first fight.

To me, the division killed the rematch. Neither man ducked, just neither man saw an advantage for their career to how the other wanted the fight to go down.

[Bronx2245]

This thread is about whether Canelo tried his best to make the fight. He didn't. Bivol made clear that his preference was unification against Beterbiev. That fight wouldn't net him anywhere near Canelo cash. However, it isn't always about the money, especially if you're already a millionaire....and let's not forget that it is a sport. Canelo needed a rematch, Bivol didn't. Of course Charlo knows what time it is. He hasn't fought Canelo yet. Bivol has.

Bivol knows what the bag is like too, but he played himself! In what world does Canelo NEED the rematch? Do you think his legacy will be hurt by a loss at 175? Seriously?

[Bronx2245]

Canelo does challenge himself - kind of - I mean maybe not the challenges we want to see and when we wanted to see them. Like Benavidez now and Golovkin when he was hiding out at 155 - but yeah, he cleared out the SMW belts and fought Lara, Kovalev and Bivol. I'm convinced Bivol was a cherry pick that went wrong after he saw Bivol perform badly against Richards.

But good/bad business is not only about the money you make. It's about whether you can make money and not be unfairly robbed. Bivol came that close to losing against Canelo because of corrupt judges - but you don't seem to want to acknowledge that. Why not?

Do you know how much Bivol made in the first fight? How much Canelo offered him in the second fight? If you do then please send us a link. I'm not just blindly accepting Canelo's word that they tried hard to make the fight. It's all on him as the A side. If he offered Bivol the same or barely more than he got for the first fight then it wasn't a fair offer considering the high risk of being screwed on the cards - as already happened when it should have been scored 118-110 but ended up a disgraceful 115-113.

Bivol will have to reset and fight someone at 168 for decent money, and/or wait for the Beterbiev fight, and/or wait for Beterbiev to get beaten and challenge that fighter.

Bivol beat Canelo @ 175! OMG, Canelo must be a fraud! Lol! Canelo is going to fight Charlo @ 168! He's going to make a ton of money, fighting guys coming up to fight him! Everybody is up in arms, but Canelo went from 154, to 168, and to 175! Meanwhile Bivol gets all the praise, and he's never fought anywhere but 175! Why is no one demanding Bivol move up and take scalps? Canelo took the risks, and made all the dough, as it should be!

[Bronx2245]

Jesus you're being emotional over this.


10 years from now, when people look at Canelo's resume, they're not going to talk about purses, or the timing of the fights, they're not going to notice all the A side advantages, or hydration clauses either; but they will notice two losses that weren't even attempted at getting avenged.


Oh, and they'll probably think "What the **** is 155?"

I'm pretty sure the majority of his fans, and the majority of the planet will respect that Canelo was a 4-Division Champion, with 12 lineal Championship wins! They will also remember that he carried the mantle of "The Face of Boxing" after Mayweather & Pacquiao departed the sport, and carried that torch for damn there a decade! Why do you think Benavidez, Charlo, and Crawford want to fight him? I guess I can be wrong?

[sege64]

People get paid according to what they're worth. Canelo has gone on to make even more money than he did against Bivol, Bivol has made way less money than he did against Canelo.

Not a Canelo fan but you can't blame Canelo for this one.

The guy taking the lesser money is the one ducking.

Mate, we are boxing fans, not contract negotiation fans. The only reason Canelo is "worth" more than Bivol after getting his ass kicked against him is because of casuals. If he really wanted the fight (which he didn't) he would have grown a pair and paid Bivol what he's worth and made the fight, but you know, it makes for a convenient excuse that casuals lap up so....