Frank Martin will eventually fight Tank

[tomhawq]

Doesn't really matter if Tank fight eventually happens for Martin.

Question will still be, "Why do you keep saying you are ready for Shakur when you are not?"

[OnePunch]

If you knew half as much as you think you know, you’d know the term promoter can mean more than the guy with the face at the press conferences telling you about the fight. It’s the organiser, matchmaker, deal broker. You must think Arum and De La Hoya & Bernard Hopkins don’t know what a promoter is neither, they both sued Haymon for acting as de facto promoter, the terms thrown around I believe were “puppet” and “sham” promoter’s regarding guys like Tom Brown.

Tom Brown run’s nothing and has no fighter’s, he is Al Haymon’s employee. PBC is the promotional company, and Haymon is the boss that runs the machine. Tom Brown does not even pay the fighter’s, Al Haymon, their advisor does. Even if Haymon delegates, Haymon/PBC is the head. It’s like arguing that Arum/TR is not the promoter, Tom Duboef is. Or Oscar/GBP is not the promoter, Eric Gomez is.

Tom Brown is basically a site coordinator for PBC. He only carries a promoters license to satisfy federal and state regulations. ALL financial decisions are made by Haymon Sports.

[Teetotaler69]

Loma Haney wasn’t a big fight. That was on ESPN. And Fury Wilder was a Fox ESPN joint event. So nice try loser but I win.

Your the loser. Fvkcing bias r3tard

[Outwest Exp 355]

You’re the loser. Fvkcing bias r3tard

I know you are but what am I?

[Eff Pandas]

If you knew half as much as you think you know, you’d know the term promoter can mean more than the guy with the face at the press conferences telling you about the fight. It’s the organiser, matchmaker, deal broker. You must think Arum and De La Hoya & Bernard Hopkins don’t know what a promoter is neither, they both sued Haymon for acting as de facto promoter, the terms thrown around I believe were “puppet” and “sham” promoter’s regarding guys like Tom Brown.

Tom Brown run’s nothing and has no fighter’s, he is Al Haymon’s employee. PBC is the promotional company, and Haymon is the boss that runs the machine. Tom Brown does not even pay the fighter’s, Al Haymon, their advisor does. Even if Haymon delegates, Haymon/PBC is the head. It’s like arguing that Arum/TR is not the promoter, Tom Duboef is. Or Oscar/GBP is not the promoter, Eric Gomez is.

All I know is I know more than you lol. And this is silly. You are acting like a promoter is x & only x. Thats how things work mostly, I don't disagree with you, but there are other ways of doing things.

And based on this I assume you believe Mike Trainer to have been a promoter back in the day cuz he guided SRL's career much like Haymon does many boxers today? There are thousands of low level boxers who aren't even signed to a promoter at all & managers work to get them on shows with a promoter they don't have an exclusive deal with ALL THE TIME. Thats basically what Haymon does he just happens to have a regular guy who does the promoting. I swear some of you guys are like casual fans & don't even pay attention to some of the most basic sh^t in the sport.

PBC is a management company with TV deals & TV connections. This ain't that complicated bro. They outsource promotional duties cuz thats a specific job at the end of the day. I'd argue these promoters like TR, GBP & Matchroom are "de facto managers" more than Haymon is a "de facto promoter" cuz they can steer a fighter to less risky or more risky or better paying or lesser paying fights as they wish without fighter approval. Promoters give boxers far less control of their career than you might think.

[SplitSecond]

All I know is I know more than you lol. And this is silly. You are acting like a promoter is x & only x. Thats how things work mostly, I don't disagree with you, but there are other ways of doing things.

And based on this I assume you believe Mike Trainer to have been a promoter back in the day cuz he guided SRL's career much like Haymon does many boxers today? There are thousands of low level boxers who aren't even signed to a promoter at all & managers work to get them on shows with a promoter they don't have an exclusive deal with ALL THE TIME. Thats basically what Haymon does he just happens to have a regular guy who does the promoting. I swear some of you guys are like casual fans & don't even pay attention to some of the most basic sh^t in the sport.

PBC is a management company with TV deals & TV connections. This ain't that complicated bro. They outsource promotional duties cuz thats a specific job at the end of the day. I'd argue these promoters like TR, GBP & Matchroom are "de facto managers" more than Haymon is a "de facto promoter" cuz they can steer a fighter to less risky or more risky or better paying or lesser paying fights as they wish without fighter approval. Promoters give boxers far less control of their career than you might think.

Of course you do bud.

Do these manager’s who get their fighter’s on promoter’s shows have their company name titled on the posters? Or is it the promoter titled on the poster of his event?

Anyway, this is besides the point. The point is the obvious conflict of interest. The PBC boss wants his fighter’s to fight on PBC, it’s a clash with his managerial duties. If you can’t even see that…eh, not that I care.

[Eff Pandas]

Of course you do bud.

Do these manager’s who get their fighter’s on promoter’s shows have their company name titled on the posters? Or is it the promoter titled on the poster of his event?

Anyway, this is besides the point. The point is the obvious conflict of interest. The PBC boss wants his fighter’s to fight on PBC, it’s a clash with his managerial duties. If you can’t even see that…eh, not that I care.

Absolutely no clue what a fight poster has to do with anything lol. Fight posters got all kinds of sh^t on them.

EVERYONE with a TV deal & TV connections has a conflict of interest based on this logic. For example why would Arum want to make a fight off of ESPN, who he has a TV deal with? He's getting paid to make content for ESPN not to make big fights off of ESPN.

[SplitSecond]

Absolutely no clue what a fight poster has to do with anything lol. Fight posters got all kinds of sh^t on them.

Have you seen J Prince management on a site poster? Paradigm sports (one of the larger management companies)? We’re really arguing whether or not PBC is a promotional company. What do you think of the UFC btw? Promotional or management company?

EVERYONE with a TV deal & TV connections has a conflict of interest based on this logic. For example why would Arum want to make a fight off of ESPN, who he has a TV deal with? He's getting paid to make content for ESPN not to make big fights off of ESPN.

Arum is hired by a network because of the products he has, his priority can be to the network more than the fighter’s which have their own managers/advisors that will haggle with Arum. His main job is getting the guys on his contract in the ring. Haymon (the “not” promoter) on the other hand, is meant to prioritize his fighters. By passing up deals because it’s off his network, not on his platform, despite the deal being better, would obviously conflict with his duties as manager/advisor.

[SplitSecond]

So you think the fight poster proves someone is a promoter???? LMFAO. Wtf.

MMA is a whole other thing. They don't operate under the same rules as boxing with this sort of sh^t. If the lawsuit that is going on against them wins or the Ali Act gets pushed onto them then we can talk.



His job as a promoter is to get his fighters fights. His job as a businessman is to provide shows for ESPN. He's got two different jobs here. If you think he's prioritizing fighters over ESPN I got another bridge to sell you. If he doesn't look out for ESPN over his fighters he won't be on ESPN anymore. There is simple logic at work here bro.

Literally said Arum’s priority is the network, and it’s the managers job to worry about their fighter. Maybe try simple reading before applying simple logic.

Getting the feeling you’re acting purposely obtuse just to continue to shill. Like I said before man. We can leave it here, and you can keep on shilling.

[Eff Pandas]

Have you seen J Prince management on a site poster? Paradigm sports (one of the larger management companies)? We’re really arguing whether or not PBC is a promotional company. What do you think of the UFC btw? Promotional or management company?

So you think the fight poster proves someone is a promoter???? LMFAO. Wtf. Idek how to retort this silly sh^t.

MMA is a whole other thing. They don't operate under the same rules as boxing with this sort of sh^t. If the lawsuit that is going on against them wins or the Ali Act gets pushed onto them then we can talk.

Arum is hired by a network because of the products he has, his priority can be to the network more than the fighter’s which have their own managers/advisors that will haggle with Arum. His main job is getting the guys on his contract in the ring. Haymon (the “not” promoter) on the other hand, is meant to prioritize his fighters. By passing up deals because it’s off his network, not on his platform, despite the deal being better, would obviously conflict with his duties as manager/advisor.

If Haymon was doing what you are implying he's doing he would be in direct violation of the Ali Act & anyone who's left him or mad about pay for any reason would have an easy lawsuit against him.

This stuff is very straight forward if you read it. There is nothing in that document that says a manager can't make a TV deal & outsource the promotion of the actual event by a flat fee payment. There is no rule that only promoters can make TV deals. There is no rule that says promoters have to get event revenue. Fighters are the ones ppl wanna see. Why shouldn't they get the event revenue? These are bs things fans think are standard & they are not. I understand ppl freak out when someone reinvents how things work, but thats all this is & its not a big deal & its better for everyone except these powerhouse promoters like Bob, Eddie & Oscar.