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Let's see what kind of posters we have here.
Some posters here are thinking that "The WBC should strip Fury!!" (For choosing to fight Francis Ngannou next instead of Oleksandr Usyk, I guess).
While I too pine for the unification of the major title claims and look forward to how Fury and Usyk deal with each other's talents; the historian in me has to ask "Strip him of what?".
Of course, the WBC is contemplating no such thing, as Fury remains up to date with his mandatory defenses.
But once upon a time, they threatened to do something similar to Larry Holmes for opting out of meeting another of Don King's fighters (Greg Page) who'd blown his shot by losing to Trevor Berbick on the Holmes-Cooney undercard (Berbick got the shot at Holmes and of course, got beat).
No tears for ol' Greg though, as King would partner with los Banditos to allow many in his stable to wear one bogus title belt or another, including Page.
Holmes' bold response was to ****can the WBC belt he'd won and defended 16 times, and he accepted the belt of the fledgling IBF, thereby legitimizing that new organization. With this act, fans of the sport were reminded that the fighters and their FIGHTS matter more than the "who died and left you boss?" style Sanctioning bodies.
The following is the accepted recording of "The Heavyweight Championship of the world" and is archived as such by nearly all of the world's foremost institutions of learning and research.
The Title Fury owns - The Lineage :
Forvanta- Phorbas- Aries- Herakles- Tydeus- Polydeusus- Theseus- Onomastos- Diappos- Komaios- Pythagoras- Tisandros- Praxidamas- Glaucos- Philon- Ikkos- Diognetos- Euthymos- Theagenes- Euthymos- Menalkes- Diagoras- Akousilous- Alkainetos- Kleomachos- Eukles- Demarchos- Phormion- Damoxenidas- Labax- Aristion- Philammon- Asamon- Mys- Satyros- Satyros- Archippos- Kallippos- Kleitomachus- Epitherses- Xenothemius- Agesarchos- Atyanas- Thaliarchos- Nikophon- Demokrates- Melankomas- Herakliedes- Marcus Tullius- Photion- Buck- Stokes- Flanders- Clarkson- Sutton- Figg- Pipes- Taylor- Broughton- Slack- Stevens- Meggs- Millsom- Jachau- Darts- Lyons- Darts- Corcoran- Sellers- Ferns- Johnson- Brian- Mendoza- Jackson- Owen- Bartholomew- Belcher- Pearce- Gully- Cribb- Spring- Cannon- Ward- Crawley- Ward- Burke- Thompson- Caunt- Ward- Caunt- Thompson- Perry- Broome- Paddock- Sayers- Hurst- Mace- King- Wormald- Mace- Coburn- Mace- Allen- Goss- Ryan- Sullivan- Corbett- Fitzsimmons- Jeffries- Hart- Burns- Johnson- Willard- Dempsey- Tunney- Schmelling- Sharkey- Carnera- Bear- Braddock- Louis- Charles- Walcott- Marciano- Patterson- Johansson- Patterson- Liston- Ali- Frazier- Foreman- Ali- L. Spinks- Ali- Holmes- M. Spinks- Tyson- Douglas- Holyfield- Bowe- Holyfield- Moorer- Foreman- Briggs- Lewis- Rachman- Lewis- Klitschko- Fury.
The Belts that Usyk owns - The Lineage:
Martin- Joshua- Ruiz- Joshua- Usyk.
These very different title histories are documented, empirical world history that is endorsed by Sorbonne University, Paris, France; Sapienza University of Rome, Rome, Italy; University of Cambridge, United Kingdom; Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München, Munich, Germany; The University of Oxford, United Kingdom; Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States, Peking University, Beijing, China, Leiden University, Leiden, Netherlands; University of California, Berkeley, Berkeley, California, United States; University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, United States; University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada and Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut, United States; and we can all look that up - nobody's "opinion".
The full Liniage (Fury's title) has met all criteria to become academic History.
It cannot be reinterpreted or denied.
There is no "reformation" in the Apostolic line here, and this isn't some 19th century field game. It's the only method of unarmed combat for sport that recorded human history deems as important.
Therefore.....
This is no 50/50 split fight my friends.
Fury’s offer to Usyk was fair. Usyk's team walked away from negotiations and Usyk got dropped hard by underdog Daniel Dubois and by the interpretation of many, got KO'd.
Usyk can box great, but let's be honest; he's no greater a threat to Tyson Fury than Whyte, Chisora or perhaps, even hard hitting MMA converted boxer Francis Ngannou, for that matter, If I want to stretch it a little.
This "unification" fight is actually about Usyk challenging the one champion for something real.
Feel a lot smarter about what the heavyweight title is now?
You should.
Because you are!
To follow will likely include some silly arguments from folks who refuse to be taught; but I have put it out there for those who want to go beyond the blogger headlines to actually understand the sport.
I do this strictly as favor to the sport.
But I'll read everyone's responses. All four of them.
Some posters here are thinking that "The WBC should strip Fury!!" (For choosing to fight Francis Ngannou next instead of Oleksandr Usyk, I guess).
While I too pine for the unification of the major title claims and look forward to how Fury and Usyk deal with each other's talents; the historian in me has to ask "Strip him of what?".
Of course, the WBC is contemplating no such thing, as Fury remains up to date with his mandatory defenses.
But once upon a time, they threatened to do something similar to Larry Holmes for opting out of meeting another of Don King's fighters (Greg Page) who'd blown his shot by losing to Trevor Berbick on the Holmes-Cooney undercard (Berbick got the shot at Holmes and of course, got beat).
No tears for ol' Greg though, as King would partner with los Banditos to allow many in his stable to wear one bogus title belt or another, including Page.
Holmes' bold response was to ****can the WBC belt he'd won and defended 16 times, and he accepted the belt of the fledgling IBF, thereby legitimizing that new organization. With this act, fans of the sport were reminded that the fighters and their FIGHTS matter more than the "who died and left you boss?" style Sanctioning bodies.
The following is the accepted recording of "The Heavyweight Championship of the world" and is archived as such by nearly all of the world's foremost institutions of learning and research.
The Title Fury owns - The Lineage :
Forvanta- Phorbas- Aries- Herakles- Tydeus- Polydeusus- Theseus- Onomastos- Diappos- Komaios- Pythagoras- Tisandros- Praxidamas- Glaucos- Philon- Ikkos- Diognetos- Euthymos- Theagenes- Euthymos- Menalkes- Diagoras- Akousilous- Alkainetos- Kleomachos- Eukles- Demarchos- Phormion- Damoxenidas- Labax- Aristion- Philammon- Asamon- Mys- Satyros- Satyros- Archippos- Kallippos- Kleitomachus- Epitherses- Xenothemius- Agesarchos- Atyanas- Thaliarchos- Nikophon- Demokrates- Melankomas- Herakliedes- Marcus Tullius- Photion- Buck- Stokes- Flanders- Clarkson- Sutton- Figg- Pipes- Taylor- Broughton- Slack- Stevens- Meggs- Millsom- Jachau- Darts- Lyons- Darts- Corcoran- Sellers- Ferns- Johnson- Brian- Mendoza- Jackson- Owen- Bartholomew- Belcher- Pearce- Gully- Cribb- Spring- Cannon- Ward- Crawley- Ward- Burke- Thompson- Caunt- Ward- Caunt- Thompson- Perry- Broome- Paddock- Sayers- Hurst- Mace- King- Wormald- Mace- Coburn- Mace- Allen- Goss- Ryan- Sullivan- Corbett- Fitzsimmons- Jeffries- Hart- Burns- Johnson- Willard- Dempsey- Tunney- Schmelling- Sharkey- Carnera- Bear- Braddock- Louis- Charles- Walcott- Marciano- Patterson- Johansson- Patterson- Liston- Ali- Frazier- Foreman- Ali- L. Spinks- Ali- Holmes- M. Spinks- Tyson- Douglas- Holyfield- Bowe- Holyfield- Moorer- Foreman- Briggs- Lewis- Rachman- Lewis- Klitschko- Fury.
The Belts that Usyk owns - The Lineage:
Martin- Joshua- Ruiz- Joshua- Usyk.
These very different title histories are documented, empirical world history that is endorsed by Sorbonne University, Paris, France; Sapienza University of Rome, Rome, Italy; University of Cambridge, United Kingdom; Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München, Munich, Germany; The University of Oxford, United Kingdom; Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States, Peking University, Beijing, China, Leiden University, Leiden, Netherlands; University of California, Berkeley, Berkeley, California, United States; University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, United States; University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada and Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut, United States; and we can all look that up - nobody's "opinion".
The full Liniage (Fury's title) has met all criteria to become academic History.
It cannot be reinterpreted or denied.
There is no "reformation" in the Apostolic line here, and this isn't some 19th century field game. It's the only method of unarmed combat for sport that recorded human history deems as important.
Therefore.....
This is no 50/50 split fight my friends.
Fury’s offer to Usyk was fair. Usyk's team walked away from negotiations and Usyk got dropped hard by underdog Daniel Dubois and by the interpretation of many, got KO'd.
Usyk can box great, but let's be honest; he's no greater a threat to Tyson Fury than Whyte, Chisora or perhaps, even hard hitting MMA converted boxer Francis Ngannou, for that matter, If I want to stretch it a little.
This "unification" fight is actually about Usyk challenging the one champion for something real.
Feel a lot smarter about what the heavyweight title is now?
You should.
Because you are!
To follow will likely include some silly arguments from folks who refuse to be taught; but I have put it out there for those who want to go beyond the blogger headlines to actually understand the sport.
I do this strictly as favor to the sport.
But I'll read everyone's responses. All four of them.
good stuff.
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