Wiil Usyk drop a belt to avoid Hrgovic?

[Dr. Z]

Comparing Chisora to either Usyk or Hrgovic is really weak. Styles make fights at the end of the day, which I thought would be common knowledge for someone who plays close attention to heavyweights. I think Usyk outclasses and KO’s McKean… but there we are

Hrgovic has a relatively weak resume. The one standout name on there, he lost to in most people’s eyes. He was expected to outclass Demsey McKean but he didn’t. Was a pretty deflating performance for Hrgovic and his fans

I’m open to the idea of him being a top level fighter, but he certainly hasn’t shown it yet

He easily outclassed McKean who was in the holding half the fight to survive and knocked him out with one nice right hand. What do you mean by deflating performance? As I said he won every round clean except for one and knocked the undefeated McKean out.

Usky did not look good vs a shop worn Chisora. That is a fact. Hrgovic would have done better vs the same fighter. I agree the Usyk who has been fighting for longer has accomplished more. Usyk is probably the top guy in the division right now based on his resume and his current shape. He is a worthy champion, But I say again, if the two meet in the ring Hrgovic will knock him out.

Fans really underestimate his skills. In many cases they haters so take their lack of his positive commentary into consideration. His chin, size, reach, power and work rate are very good. His speed and skills are merely good as in his opponents can't use their defense to avoid the incoming. Hrgovic's defense is average. I don't think even Usky with his great skills and speed but average power can win the majority of rounds vs. him. It will be close to even on points while it lasts. Hrgovic's reach and work rate combo with his chin will walk through Usky and he will land to the head which Usky can take some of, and his body legally with Usyk can not take some of.

It remains to be seen if Hrgovic is a HOF fighter, yes that is true. BUT IMO he is the best heavyweight since Kiltschko and would KO the chiny Wilder who has less skills the him, and better Fury the PED cheater who had fouled 5 times in five fights, really lost it McDermott ( see that fight to judge ) and survived a knockdown to and older blown up currier weight.

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Hrgovic beats Usyk. Having said that, he knows hrgovic is all risk zero reward. Best to drop the belt and fight fury instead

[Eff Pandas]

If Usyk drops a belt over a fight with him its cuz there is a much better opportunity, most likely Fury, not cuz he's trying to avoid him.

[Eff Pandas]

I doubt it.

I think he'd rather fight Hrgovic than Fury.

I don't think Usyk is too keen on fighting Fury to be honest, despite popular belief.

What makes you think Usyk doesn't really want the Fury fight?

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Usyk is not going to hurt fury. If wilder had him down 6 times in 3 fights and lost each time there is no way Usyk is gonna knock him out. That is a fact.

So Usyk would need to outbox Fury for 12 rounds. Usyk second fight with AJ was close. Fury does everything AJ does but is bigger, has a better gas tank, and is way better. Fury is also awkward where AJ fights like a robot.

when you take all of this into consideration I cannot see how anyone thinks Usyk beats Fury. Fury is gonna mog him, lean on him and wear him out. I’d love to know how Usyk beats Fury having said all of the above.

[IronDanHamza]

What makes you think Usyk doesn't really want the Fury fight?

I should have prefaced that I think he wants him in Saudi (as does Fury) but not the UK.

To me, despite the common opinion, those negoations that fell apart this year for a UK fight don’t make Usyk look good. I can’t understand how or why the media/fans have ran with the narrative they have.

He went from catergorcially rejecting a 60/40 split to accepting a 70/30 split (via instagram video) on the condition that Fury donated 1 million to Ukraine and every day it goes on another 10% or whatever foolishness it was. I don’t see how that isn’t anything but an obvious publicity stunt.

Then once that’s “accepted” here comes the rematch clause debacle, which I knew was coming (or something similar). 70/30 for the rematch? That’s an absurd request and anyone with a grain of sense can see that.

Fury offers 50/50 for the rematch, which I think is fair, or atleast in the ballpark, that’s rejected by Usyk to which Fury offers to scrap it all together, to which is now in Usyk’s point a view a valid reason to walk away from the table. That doesn’t make sense to me. Surely that’s a reasonable solution?

I can’t see how the above is the actions of someone trying to make a fight.

Just to further clarify, I don’t think Fury wanted it in the UK either. I think his 70/30 offer was a bluff, especially since Usyk already said no to 60/40. Which is why when Usyk “accepted” it via instagram video I knew from there it wasn’t going to happen.

Realistically, it seems clear to me neither want the fight in the UK, they want it in Saudi for 3x the money.

So it depends on that. Saudi seem to be moving the goal posts constantly concerning that fight.

[Eff Pandas]

I should have prefaced that I think he wants him in Saudi (as does Fury) but not the UK.

To me, despite the common opinion, those negoations that fell apart this year for a UK fight don’t make Usyk look good. I can’t understand how or why the media/fans have ran with the narrative they have.

He went from catergorcially rejecting a 60/40 split to accepting a 70/30 split (via instagram video) on the condition that Fury donated 1 million to Ukraine and every day it goes on another 10% or whatever foolishness it was. I don’t see how that isn’t anything but an obvious publicity stunt.

Then once that’s “accepted” here comes the rematch clause debacle, which I knew was coming (or something similar). 70/30 for the rematch? That’s an absurd request and anyone with a grain of sense can see that.

Fury offers 50/50 for the rematch, which I think is fair, or atleast in the ballpark, that’s rejected by Usyk to which Fury offers to scrap it all together, to which is now in Usyk’s point a view a valid reason to walk away from the table. That doesn’t make sense to me. Surely that’s a reasonable solution?

I can’t see how the above is the actions of someone trying to make a fight.

Just to further clarify, I don’t think Fury wanted it in the UK either. I think his 70/30 offer was a bluff, especially since Usyk already said no to 60/40. Which is why when Usyk “accepted” it via instagram video I knew from there it wasn’t going to happen.

Realistically, it seems clear to me neither want the fight in the UK, they want it in Saudi for 3x the money.

So it depends on that. Saudi seem to be moving the goal posts constantly concerning that fight.

Ahhh ok. The move for both guys seemed to be waiting for that Saudi $$$ for sure. I didn't get the same vibe as you that Usyk didn't wanna fight in the UK tho. I think Fury was being crazier with talks & Usyk couldn't play that game as well as Fury so they fumbled a few times in those talks as you bring up.

Fury 100% wants the Saudi $$$ I agree with you there tho. I think he wasn't serious in these talks for that reason. He kept seeming to change things up & putting hard limits on specifics iirc which suggested to me he wasn't realllllllllly trying to make a deal cuz he wants the better Saudi $$$. And that whole public talks thing they went through was bound to increase the engagement on both guys which is even better for their bottom line when they do fight.

And yea the funny thing is idk that you can trust Saudi THAT much to be sure this fight happens there with the moving goalposts. I do think now that Skills Challenge is working with Usyk it makes it more likely it happens, but who knows.

[Dr. Z]

Hrgovic beats Usyk. Having said that, he knows hrgovic is all risk zero reward. Best to drop the belt and fight fury instead

Fury would not fight Usky, not even for a 70/30 split of the purse. Yes -- I think Hrgovic beats Usyk too.

[War Room]

I doubt it.

I think he'd rather fight Hrgovic than Fury.

I don't think Usyk is too keen on fighting Fury to be honest, despite popular belief.

I don't think he wants to fight Hyrgović to be fair. Hyrgović hits the body from distance very nicely, uses distance well, tough as hell, and can punch. I'll cut a video if I have to, but Dubios was hitting Usyk with a lot of shots and he's not getting any credit for it. I was very nervous during that fight.

If Dubois can land those shots, Hyrgović can. I think there is a high chance he finds a way out of that fight and would not be surprised to see him drop a belt.

What makes you think Usyk doesn't really want the Fury fight?

• 50/50 (not good enough for Usyk).
• 60/40 to the winner from Usyk (never been done before in the sport of boxing 141 year history).
• 70/30 counter from Fury.
• Usyk accepts but with *'s like Fury having to take a political stance with Ukraine with £1million donated to Ukraine war effort. + Every day of delay has to pay 1% from the purse to Ukrainian people. + Rematch clause of 60/40 going to winner which has never been done before in boxings 141 year history.

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Once SA started throwing money around every boxer turned their head like a dog hearing a siren. Everyone wants a price before it dries up. The problem is SA is only interested in Big heavy’s who knock people out. They are not interested in Usyk pop shotting for 12 rounds