Comments Thread For: Association of Boxing Commissions Meet To Formalize Guidelines So That Knockdown Rounds Be Scored 10-8

[Raggamuffin]

So whether you dominate the round or are dominated in the round, it's irrelevant. A flash knockdown erases all that and awards 2 points, 3 if the guy scoring it was losing the round. If you say so

Yes I say so. This above reason is why score cards turn out controversial. Just flat line the rules that have always been there and stop scoring 10-9 rounds on knockdowns.

[4truth]

Yes I say so. This above reason is why score cards turn out controversial. Just flat line the rules that have always been there and stop scoring 10-9 rounds on knockdowns.

You are backwards again. the reason scorecards are often controversial is that the judges' decisions do not accurately reflect with what was just seen by the audiences' eyes. this would only add to that problem for the reason I have already stated.

The only reason I could see for such a rigid rule is that the judges are too feeble minded to negotiate a scoring system requiring actual judgement. Sadly, this may be the case

[Raggamuffin]

You are backwards again. the reason scorecards are often controversial is that the judges' decisions do not accurately reflect with what was just seen by the audiences' eyes. this would only add to that problem for the reason I have already stated.

The only reason I could see for such a rigid rule is that the judges are too feeble minded to negotiate a scoring system requiring actual judgement. Sadly, this may be the case

I dont think you even see my point. You can beat a guy the whole round. But the guy doing the beating gets put down. You call it 10-9. It should be 10-8. End of story. It’s the only way that you can get scoring in line. Tank Garcia was not a 10-9 round in round 2. Garcia was not dominating that round like that to earn a 10-9 round after being put down. That’s what ****s scoring up….

[dmos1128]

That's Floyds personal judge you're talking about.

I don't know about all that I just know he has to go Floyd's nowhere around. So you can keep hating on him because well yeah he does have all the money Glory and fame and ain't worried about anything. David Moretti is the one that scored the round where tank knocked the **** out of Ryan Garcia 1010. So I don't know about the fluid **** I just know he's messed up obviously he's a Garcia dude..

[Wacked_Out]

I don't know about all that I just know he has to go Floyd's nowhere around. So you can keep hating on him because well yeah he does have all the money Glory and fame and ain't worried about anything. David Moretti is the one that scored the round where tank knocked the **** out of Ryan Garcia 1010. So I don't know about the fluid **** I just know he's messed up obviously he's a Garcia dude..

Was I hating on Floyd? I dont think he should be 50-0 and his boxing style is boring to me, but Im just saying what seems apparent. He was always a judge for most of Floyds fights. Handpicked for some reason I'd guess. I dont like seeing Morretti either you know, as well as a couple of other judges.

[dmos1128]

Was I hating on Floyd? I dont think he should be 50-0 and his boxing style is boring to me, but Im just saying what seems apparent. He was always a judge for most of Floyds fights. Handpicked for some reason I'd guess. I dont like seeing Morretti either you know, as well as a couple of other judges.

That's just it If you really know boxing and you really knew boxing Floyd would not be boring to you. You would love watching him. How many damn times I got to educate you guys on how to be real boxing fans but until you have it in your blood you're never going to be able to experience that. Please don't say you thought Floyd was a boring boxer anymore on boxing pages because that gives it all away about you like ASAP. But hey you folks need to realize there's nothing wrong with being an MMA/UFC groupie. This is just the wrong site to be hanging around when you're one of those.

[Eff Pandas]

My five points;

1. Why isnt there a 5 point must system? if they only go down to 6 from 10, then scores of 1-5 arent even going to be used. So just use a 5 point scoring system.
2. Why didnt they address which judge is supposed to give a draw or a close decision to the B-side, which 1 gives a ridiculous wide decision to the A-side, and which gives a close decision to the A-side, if the B-side is clearly winning? Sometimes they get confused and the B-side gets a deserved win by mistake.
3. The re-emergence of the stiff arm needs to be addressed. is it just for the A-side? How soon should a point be taken from the B-side? And is holding and hitting legal now for the A-side?
4. How many times must an A-side be warned for a foul before a point is taken? Should they stop warning them altogether?
5. Are some refs not giving the A-side enough time to recover when hurt?


The real question is, why are the promoters the ones who pay the judges and not the state athletic commission?

1. Why not have a Point system. Point for winning a rd. Point for a KD. If its a draw rd its 0 to 0. If a guy loses a Point its taken away from his final score if he didn't win any Points you add one to his opp. Super easy system & much easier for them to add up at the end.

4. Agree penalties should be brought up sooner, regardless of the A/B side situation. And points taken sooner too. And I'd like to see it not so dramatic. The whole put the other guy in the corner & walk the offender to the middle & say to each judge whats up. I'd just like to see the ref pull out a card with the color corner of the offender & verbally say it to the boxers & then make sure its noted by whoever is tabulating the scores at the end. Lets keep the action moving.

[Spray_resistant]

Question is, you need to define "dominating".

Some judges will look at ineffective aggression as dominating (Chino).
Some judges will look at absolutely dull boxing masterclasses as dominating ("Boring Ass" Frank Sanchez)

You're not going to solve the problem without clear definitions of what you mean.

It isn't broken so don't try to fix it, we all know what a 10-8 rd looks like without a kd by simply watching the action.

If you need a definition for "dominating" you should not only not be judging a fight but should have a representative handling your finances because you need guidance.

[crimsonfalcon07]

1. Why not have a Point system. Point for winning a rd. Point for a KD. If its a draw rd its 0 to 0. If a guy loses a Point its taken away from his final score if he didn't win any Points you add one to his opp. Super easy system & much easier for them to add up at the end.

4. Agree penalties should be brought up sooner, regardless of the A/B side situation. And points taken sooner too. And I'd like to see it not so dramatic. The whole put the other guy in the corner & walk the offender to the middle & say to each judge whats up. I'd just like to see the ref pull out a card with the color corner of the offender & verbally say it to the boxers & then make sure its noted by whoever is tabulating the scores at the end. Lets keep the action moving.

I like it, but I also want more accountability from judges. If they can't articulate why one fighter won the round, it should be a draw. 10 point must could be made to work, TBH, but it needs a lot more oversight and accountability. Ability to review and overturn scorecards for instance. Have a wider panel of judges who are scoring from the footage, and major deviation from the norm should be noted and penalized.

[Eff Pandas]

I like it, but I also want more accountability from judges. If they can't articulate why one fighter won the round, it should be a draw. 10 point must could be made to work, TBH, but it needs a lot more oversight and accountability. Ability to review and overturn scorecards for instance. Have a wider panel of judges who are scoring from the footage, and major deviation from the norm should be noted and penalized.

Never an argument from me about judging the judges. That should be a standard thing.

I'm not opposed to more judges scoring, but I think a legit hole with scoring is judges don't have an ideal view at all times. In the UFC judges are ringside as usual but they also have a monitor to watch for better views of the action when its at a bad angle for them. And the UFC has far fewer sketchy cards than boxing. It's not something that cures bad judging, but I believe its a way to give good judges more tools to score well & less excuses for bad judges to claim for their sh^tty cards.