Wilder's ko ratio against top 10 opponents compared to others

[Silence]

How many times did your fighters fight Fury 3x? You ***in moron.

He already KO'd his all opponents except Fury and Stiverne.

Good bait thread to hunt dummy AJ fangirls.

[Zaroku]

Interesting thread. I just like ignoring facts when they don’t match my I’ll formed preconceived notions

[Toffee]

Obviously it's a little bit skewed. Wilder fought Fury 3 times and I don't see any shame in him not scoring a knockout there.

Probably the biggest takeaway is how few top 10 fighters both Fury and Wilder have fought. Especially given they fought each other three times. And especially given Wilder was a champion for a long time.

For what it's worth I don't think Wilder's power is overrated. He has serious power. But what is overrated is his ability to deliver that punch at the very top level. The best guys don't just walk onto a fighter's 'swing for the fences' shot.

[QueensburyRules]

Not all top tens represent the same quality, the whole idea is skewed, what is the thread actually trying to say?

- - Trying to say Deyonce hvy title reign a TBA Farce.

[11player]

using the ring rankings. helenius and spilzka were not ranked and stiverne was only ranked in the first fight in which he was not ko'd. so wilder has a grand total of 2 ko's against top 10 fighters, and that was the same guy...weak as hell but keep pretending guys like helenius were legit opponents if you want.

This exactly. Only 2 Kos vs top 10 opponents. Only 3 top 10 opponents in Fury, Ortiz and Stiverne.

[Clegg]

I don't taoe boxrec seriously but a lot do.
So your going off Ring. Who have a 44 yearold Luis Ortiz still in the top 10 coming off a loss and inactive a year. They also have Jared Anderson top 10...

Like you say though, boxrec isn't always to be taken seriously. They have Golovkin number 5 P4P fighter right now, Usyk down in 17th. Ring rankings are at least better than that.

[STREET CLEANER]

Wilder lives rent free in a lot of people.

[Willow The Wisp]

ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight


lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-60% 3 out of 5
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-44% 4 out of 9
wilder-33% 2 out of 6


bonus greatness:


ali-50% 18 out of 36

Best Answer

It's a good stat, but it requires some annotations in order to hold any meaning.

Name the 56 "top opponents" for us, because that's the subjective peice.


The Ring rankings?
That's a long discussion itself, and one that I've shared with Nat Loubet, Steve Farhood, Randy Gordon, Doug Fischer, Adam Abramowitz, Dan Rafael, Herbert G. Goldman (the best man in boxing) and the late Stanley Weston and Bert Sugar over the years, to name a few; and it is a perenneal topic among the scribes.

Some of their top 10 luminaries during your time frame discussed include:

Bruce Seldon, Alexander Zolkin, Henry Akinwande, Lionel Butler, Herbie Hide, Michael Bentt, Phill Jackson, Mike "the bounty" Hunter, Alex Garcia, David Izon, Derrick Jefferson, Kirk Johnson, Fres Oquendo, James Toney, Monte Barrett, Siarhei Liakhovich, Calvin Brock, Samuel Peter, Volodymyr Vyrchys, Juan Carlos Gomez, Alexander Dimitrenko, Denis Boytsov, "Fast" Eddie Chambers, Mike Perez and Vyacheslav Glazkov; to name just a few of The Ring's top 10ers of recent vintage.

It is your claim that if Wilder added those 25 to his KO leger, that your estimation of him would go through the roof???

Either The Ring jumped the gun on a number of heavyweights before they were proven out; or they simply struggled to populate 10 spots in the vacuum of some terribly abysmal periods. (Both things are true).
As a magazine rankings staffer from long ago, I understand the urge to jump the gun on a prospect, and above all others, The Ring was guilty.

My beleif, is that hindsight assesments beat out the Ring rankings any day of the week.

I can assure you that Deontay Wilder would have NO TROUBLE was any of those "top fighters", nor would at least 7 of his KO victims.

I can assure you that Deontay Wilder is an IBHOF level heavyweight and a vetted shoe-in.

I can further assure that Wilder remains the 2nd best Heavyweight of this era, which began in 2015, and that the space between him and the no. 1 (Tyson Fury), whom he battled 3 times, is a much smaller gap than the gap between Wilder and no. 3 (Usyk, Joshua, Ruiz, Ortiz, or whoever you please).

The accolades used to assess the level of Wilder's campaign is admittedly a collection which doesn't necessarily include an ultra strong roster of opponents, versus the other champions chosen for your illustration. It's quite true.

But you seem inattentive to the particle component nature of this assessment, driven, one would guess, by your zeal to make your case. One other particle component that's equally nessesary to mention, to develop an objective relative assessment of Wilder's measurement against the others, is that I have never yet seen Deontay Wilder get himself blown away by a huge underdog like Lewis & Wladimir did on numerous occasions, or quit like a dog as we've seen with Vitali and Joshua. That kind of thing matters too. Allot.

The work that Wilder has done places him very high, and he's done it with a fighting heart.

Of course, he is still at or near the top of his game, we shouldn't forget.
Tyson Fury is gonna beat that soft body of Usyk UP this winter!!!!!
Tyson Fury KO 5 through 8 over Oleksandr Usyk is a pretty good guess.

But a Unified beltholder has the shelf life of an avocado, sadly.

My guess is, the IBF will be the first to strip Fury after he smashes their "Champion", and will match Filip Hrgovic with the Wilder - Joshua winner for their title.

Two easy KO's for Wilder there, and two more ring ranked names you'll have to add to Wilder's KO list; and then we will be clamoring for Fury - Wilder IV for re-unification, about a year from now. Lol.

Very plausible, whether you like it or not.

[daggum]

updated the thread for wilder fanatics like myself

[daggum]

Best Answer

It's a good stat, but it requires some annotations in order to hold any meaning.

Name the 56 "top opponents" for us, because that's the subjective peice.


The Ring rankings?
That's a long discussion itself, and one that I've shared with Nat Loubet, Steve Farhood, Randy Gordon, Doug Fischer, Adam Abramowitz, Dan Rafael, Herbert G. Goldman (the best man in boxing) and the late Stanley Weston and Bert Sugar over the years, to name a few; and it is a perenneal topic among the scribes.

Some of their top 10 luminaries during your time frame discussed include:

Bruce Seldon, Alexander Zolkin, Henry Akinwande, Lionel Butler, Herbie Hide, Michael Bentt, Phill Jackson, Mike "the bounty" Hunter, Alex Garcia, David Izon, Derrick Jefferson, Kirk Johnson, Fres Oquendo, James Toney, Monte Barrett, Siarhei Liakhovich, Calvin Brock, Samuel Peter, Volodymyr Vyrchys, Juan Carlos Gomez, Alexander Dimitrenko, Denis Boytsov, "Fast" Eddie Chambers, Mike Perez and Vyacheslav Glazkov; to name just a few of The Ring's top 10ers of recent vintage.

It is your claim that if Wilder added those 25 to his KO leger, that your estimation of him would go through the roof???

Either The Ring jumped the gun on a number of heavyweights before they were proven out; or they simply struggled to populate 10 spots in the vacuum of some terribly abysmal periods. (Both things are true).
As a magazine rankings staffer from long ago, I understand the urge to jump the gun on a prospect, and above all others, The Ring was guilty.

My beleif, is that hindsight assesments beat out the Ring rankings any day of the week.

I can assure you that Deontay Wilder would have NO TROUBLE was any of those "top fighters", nor would at least 7 of his KO victims.

I can assure you that Deontay Wilder is an IBHOF level heavyweight and a vetted shoe-in.

I can further assure that Wilder remains the 2nd best Heavyweight of this era, which began in 2015, and that the space between him and the no. 1 (Tyson Fury), whom he battled 3 times, is a much smaller gap than the gap between Wilder and no. 3 (Usyk, Joshua, Ruiz, Ortiz, or whoever you please).

The accolades used to assess the level of Wilder's campaign is admittedly a collection which doesn't necessarily include an ultra strong roster of opponents, versus the other champions chosen for your illustration. It's quite true.

But you seem inattentive to the particle component nature of this assessment, driven, one would guess, by your zeal to make your case. One other particle component that's equally nessesary to mention, to develop an objective relative assessment of Wilder's measurement against the others, is that I have never yet seen Deontay Wilder get himself blown away by a huge underdog like Lewis & Wladimir did on numerous occasions, or quit like a dog as we've seen with Vitali and Joshua. That kind of thing matters too. Allot.

The work that Wilder has done places him very high, and he's done it with a fighting heart.

Of course, he is still at or near the top of his game, we shouldn't forget.
Tyson Fury is gonna beat that soft body of Usyk UP this winter!!!!!
Tyson Fury KO 5 through 8 over Oleksandr Usyk is a pretty good guess.

But a Unified beltholder has the shelf life of an avocado, sadly.

My guess is, the IBF will be the first to strip Fury after he smashes their "Champion", and will match Filip Hrgovic with the Wilder - Joshua winner for their title.

Two easy KO's for Wilder there, and two more ring ranked names you'll have to add to Wilder's KO list; and then we will be clamoring for Fury - Wilder IV for re-unification, about a year from now. Lol.

Very plausible, whether you like it or not.

if its so easy to ko top 10 ranked opponents why didnt wilder do it lmao