Comments Thread For: Mayweather Had Canelo Level Power, Says Shane Mosley

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Lmfao.

In other words- Floyd was the much smarter boxer and beat Manny easily because once Manny’s main offense was neutralized he couldn’t beat you.

Sort of like how Matthysse, Tyson and other power guys had difficulty winning if the opponent could neutralize or avoid their power.

i dont call sticking your arm out and lightly pushing away your opponent a clean punch though. the rules say clean punching and yeah thats definitionally not a clean punch. its not thrown in a punch motion and its grazing aka not clean. why do you give floyd credit for that? seems pretty dubious to me. if you are talking about clean punches that was a big landslide for pac and if you are talking about neutralizing what did manny do to floyd? he took away all his clean punches but you only see things one way of course. stiff arms and push offs become great clean punches in your mind, manny rocking floyds head around doesnt matter cause he didnt ko him or manny didnt "do enough" the classic cop out where instead of scoring what manny and floyd did to each other you score what manny did to other fighters in other fights. floyd fought a terrible fight, deserved to lose but even if you thought he won that was a bad performance. floyd never had control over that fight because if he did he would have been able to land cleanly, he couldnt. he would have been able to avoid mannys clean shots. he couldnt. he slowed the tempo and pace down which is fine but you still need to actually do something and he didnt do much in terms of clean punching. big problem if you are trying to score and analysis a fight. the big take away is floyd isnt landing cleanly floyd isnt landing cleanly. is pac landing a ton? no, is he landing better than floyd? yes by far.

[djtmal]

He wasnt shopworn. He just wasnt good enough.

You are in denial

When you are a 38 year old, shopworn fighter, it's a pretty good bet you won't be good enough don't you think

[The Big Dunn]

i dont call sticking your arm out and lightly pushing away your opponent a clean punch though. the rules say clean punching and yeah thats definitionally not a clean punch. its not thrown in a punch motion and its grazing aka not clean. why do you give floyd credit for that? seems pretty dubious to me. if you are talking about clean punches that was a big landslide for pac and if you are talking about neutralizing what did manny do to floyd? he took away all his clean punches but you only see things one way of course. stiff arms and push offs become great clean punches in your mind, manny rocking floyds head around doesnt matter cause he didnt ko him or manny didnt "do enough" the classic cop out where instead of scoring what manny and floyd did to each other you score what manny did to other fighters in other fights. floyd fought a terrible fight, deserved to lose but even if you thought he won that was a bad performance. floyd never had control over that fight because if he did he would have been able to land cleanly, he couldnt. he would have been able to avoid mannys clean shots. he couldnt. he slowed the tempo and pace down which is fine but you still need to actually do something and he didnt do much in terms of clean punching. big problem if you are trying to score and analysis a fight. the big take away is floyd isnt landing cleanly floyd isnt landing cleanly. is pac landing a ton? no, is he landing better than floyd? yes by far.

Your description of what happened is so agenda driven and self serving its laughable. You have no integrity.

You made up some fake narrative to justify your ridiculous opinion that Floyd didn’t beat Manny clearly.

Floyd landed more clean punches. Somehow you want jabs not to count as clean punches but wild swings Floyd blocked to count as clean punches.

This is why youre a joke. The guy you hate was just better. It happens.

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Floyd was not the a-side when calling out Fishnets or Shane.

You’re blatantly lying about testing. Manny refused citing needle fear. Then tried negotiating a cutoff. Don’t leave that part out.

You mean he bought out his TR deal because Bob kept telling him he couldnt make the ODH fight. You left that part out.

The 40 mil no ppv offer was 28% more than Manny had ever made with the bulk of the ppv as the a-side. He left money on the table on his own choice and got ktfo. That isn’t Floyd’s fault.

You also dont mention the stitches Manny got from Bob’s son in law only after Nevada changed Floyd’s jail date so the fight could happen.

Its called negotiations. The same thing that other a-sides have done that you never question or complain about. When Floyd got to the top, he did the same thing done by other cash cows before him.

lmfao. He didnt scam anyone. He beat the guys you said would beat him and instead of being an adult and admitting you’re wrong, you’re making excuses for the losers.

He ended up with an ATG, 1st ballot HOF resume, loaded with guys you like. That is why you’re so bitter and dishonest.

i just dont get why you love floyd so much and will come on here and lie for him? doesnt make sense. we all know floyd ducked the fight. the flat fee was a joke. manny and floyd literally had sold the same amount of ppv's over their last 3 fights. why would floyd walk away with 300 to 400 million and pac get a flat fee of 40 million? you can not defend that. thats a fight killer and you know it. like i said the testing was just a way to kill the fight, when manny agreed he changed his demands. thats calling someones bluff and floyds bluff got called. but the kicker is when when manny was old, floyd changed his demands back to a percentage fee which proves that the flat fee was just a way of killing the fight. why was that a condidiont when manny was prime and not when he was old? come on. it was a scam. the guys resume is not impressive. its not terrible but its not impressive. its filled with over the hill guys, a couple very good fighters like castillo and corrales and a lot of b and c level guys like ortiz, guerrero, maidana, etc...its nowhere near a ray leonard, ali, etc...those guys fought great fighters in their primes over and over. floyd did not.

[The Big Dunn]

You are in denial

When you are a 38 year old, shopworn fighter, it's a pretty good bet you won't be good enough don't you think

No you are making an after the fact excuse because you called for the Shane fight, lied about making a thread doing so, picked him to win, nutted on yourself during Round 2, then decided on excuses once Floyd took control of the fight.

[HeadShots]

this was before Canelo hopped on rocket fuel.




flush shot on a lil Cotto and didn't do any damage. not even rock Cotto.



to




same punch now caves in a SMW champion's face





ending his career

[turnedup]

I have respect for Floyd’s career and skills but that iv mess and then it being allowed in a retroactive manner called into question all his bullssshhhh about testing. As time has gone on and we’ve learned more about masking agents, the more questionable his being clean has become.

[The Big Dunn]

i just dont get why you love floyd so much and will come on here and lie for him? doesnt make sense. we all know floyd ducked the fight. the flat fee was a joke. manny and floyd literally had sold the same amount of ppv's over their last 3 fights. why would floyd walk away with 300 to 400 million and pac get a flat fee of 40 million? you can not defend that. thats a fight killer and you know it. like i said the testing was just a way to kill the fight, when manny agreed he changed his demands. thats calling someones bluff and floyds bluff got called. but the kicker is when when manny was old, floyd changed his demands back to a percentage fee which proves that the flat fee was just a way of killing the fight. why was that a condidiont when manny was prime and not when he was old? come on. it was a scam. the guys resume is not impressive. its not terrible but its not impressive. its filled with over the hill guys, a couple very good fighters like castillo and corrales and a lot of b and c level guys like ortiz, guerrero, maidana, etc...its nowhere near a ray leonard, ali, etc...those guys fought great fighters in their primes over and over. floyd did not.

No one is loving or lying other than you.

Last 3 fights. Hahahahha. Youre a joke. He would because he is the a-side. Same way odh walked away with a boatload. It wasnt a fight killer. It was Manny refusing to fight and you justifying it because its Floyd.

Just like with testing- Manny refused and you justify it.

Just like Floyd and others have taken bad deals because they wanted to fight, Manny couldve as well. He didnt and that is on him.

You make him and you look weak by blaming his actions and decisions on another person.

You mean Floyd confronted him face to face such that another refusal couldnt be defended or denied.

His resume is filled with HOF boxers, some of which refused to fight him when he called them out. No it isnt as good as Ali or Leonard.

Yes they did. The difference is they were also cash cows such that lesser earning stars like Frazier, Hearns etc didnt refuse to fight.

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Your description of what happened is so agenda driven and self serving its laughable. You have no integrity.

You made up some fake narrative to justify your ridiculous opinion that Floyd didn’t beat Manny clearly.

Floyd landed more clean punches. Somehow you want jabs not to count as clean punches but wild swings Floyd blocked to count as clean punches.

This is why youre a joke. The guy you hate was just better. It happens.

floyd did not land more clean punches than pac. we can go through it round by round if you would like. floyds jab was not landing cleanly. why do you keep saying that? you are the one making up that narrative. it was coming up short or at best lightly grazing pac and not making any impact aka not clean. do you know what a clean punch is? its what pac did to floyd rocking his head around. floyd was blocking pacs punches yet pac wasnt blcoking floyds? come on mr biased. one guys head was rocking around. it was floyd not pacs. why do you think sticking your glove out lightly at someone is a clean punch? yet you come on here saying i have no integrity? no one with any integrity would ever think lightly pushing your opponent away in a non punch motion is a clean punch. come on. the clean punches were landed by pac not floyd. just because you dont like pac doesnt mean that didnt happen and there is nothing you can ever do or say to change that fact. yes fact because we have the film of the fight. and pacs jab was much cleaner than floyds during the fight which is the only thing you have to hang your hat on since floyd had almost no power shots which you admit, but even floyds jab was utter sh-it. pacs jab was hard and rocked floyds head around. floyd got in a good jab every now and then of course, but pac had better jabs and better power shots to floyds head, oh and pac had much better body shots. its just silly to pretend floyds little tiny air jabs and grazing tickles are clean punches. you have no integrity and its clear you are such a fanboy because you literally defend every single thing floyd does. i dont hate floyd, hes just overrated. you literally cant say a bad word about him. i can and do say bad things about pac, ggg, etc...they arent the greatest. they fought bad fights, should have fought certain guys, etc...you on the other hand think floyds career was amazing and nothing was his fault, he dominated everyone, blah blah insane cult behavior

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I have respect for Floyd’s career and skills but that iv mess and then it being allowed in a retroactive manner called into question all his bullssshhhh about testing. As time has gone on and we’ve learned more about masking agents, the more questionable his being clean has become.

floyd was definitely not clean lol. its called projection. he knew he was cheating and he knew everyone else was, so he made a system where only he was allowed to cheat. that is kind of brilliant if you think about it.