Comments Thread For: Mayweather Had Canelo Level Power, Says Shane Mosley

[The Big Dunn]

And you got a straight answer.

Oscar he wasn't in control over, but Shane and Manny he was in total control over and wanted to overmarinate those guys. Made a lot of money, but got very little credit.

Insert more Floyd excuses here

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No I didn’t. You and daggum jumped in.

Youre lying. Shane and Manny avoiding him is documented. They both wanted to earn paydays rather than risk losing to Floyd and possibly see their purses reduced.

Very little credit from sore loser fans like you that picked them to beat Floyd but didn’t.

That is expected from posters like you on NSB. It’s all you can do at this point.

[djtmal]

His ring IQ was significantly higher than Manny’s. We all saw this with the right in the 1st round that made Manny hesitant to throw and change his plan of attack.

Manny won 3 times after he got ktfo after refusing the no ppv offer. Post Floyd’s wide win, He was 5-1 including beating Thurman 4 years after.

He wasn’t shopworn. He just wasnt good enough to beat the beat boxer of the era- Floyd.

Floyd was scared of the guy as was evident in his hesitation to make a fight with him in 2009 and how tentative he fought in 2015

His pops told him he was scared in between rounds.

The only thing consistent with Floyd was all the running and holding. Landed punches were few and far between.

You know you are in denial when you try to claim a Manny 60+ fights already been kod isnt shopworn

Floyd he showed good power against shopworn fighters he needed the extra strength to clinch effectively

[djtmal]

No he didn’t.

Yes or No did they all decide to wait to fight him until they were out of prime?

Just answer the question did Floyd beat Manny Shane Cotto or Oscar in their prime. Yes or no. No excuses please

[The Big Dunn]

I never said he would or would not beat any of those guys.

Well you tend to look back and evaluate a fighters career when it's over don't ya.

If he fought, and beat, the best guys in his prime, all of this would a moot point wouldn't it. his resume would stand up to any scrutiny i or anybody else would have.

You wouldn't have to cry about nobody not respecting his welterweight run

Yes we do. With Floyd, posters like you use different standards to evaluate his career than you do others.

That is why I asked the question I did.

If you use the same standard with Floyd’s career and opponents as we do Barrera, Mosley, Morales, odh etc. I’d have no issue.

If you held odh, shane and manny accountable for not fighting Floyd I’d have no issue.

All resumes should be scrutinized equally using the same standards.

I havent cried or asked you to respect anything. Your opinion is meaningless because youve been proven to be a liar.

The bottom line is when the same standards are used to evaluate boxers, Floyd’s resume is superior to anyone in his generation.

Now when you evaluate it from the sore loser perspective, we get stuff you posted.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd was scared of the guy as was evident in his hesitation to make a fight with him in 2009 and how tentative he fought in 2015

His pops told him he was scared in between rounds.

The only thing consistent with Floyd was all the running and holding. Landed punches were few and far between.

You know you are in denial when you try to claim a Manny 60+ fights already been kod isnt shopworn

Floyd he showed good power against shopworn fighters he needed the extra strength to clinch effectively

You say hes scared because Manny cited needle fear. Manny, Bob and the TR matchmaker knew he wouldnt beat Floyd.

The last minute elective stitches proves who was scared, which is why you avoid discussing it.

Yes his pops was trying to motivate him. You fixate on that because its all you have in a fight Floyd won by a wide margin.

Actually the winning was consistent.

Denial is you not being able to refute the facts.

Shopworn is your sore loser opinion. His record after getting ktfo and post Floyd are facts. The facts dispel your opinion.

Floyd showed how you neutralize an ATG and make him look like nothing much.

[The Big Dunn]

Just answer the question did Floyd beat Manny Shane Cotto or Oscar in their prime. Yes or no. No excuses please

Asked and answered directly.

Now can you answer the question I asked you honestly?

[SteveM]

Understood.

Talking just about resume-why would the delays be held against Floyd?

I get that Manny, ODH and Shane werent in their primes. What I don’t get is why their decisions to delay fighting Floyd is used against Floyd.

You mention Canelo v GGG. Canelo waiting to fight him is rightfully held against Canelo, not GGG.

If Tank fights and beats Loma, the win will be held against Tank because he waited to fight Loma presumably so he could age and be a lesser fighter.

The waiting by Canelo and Tank is seen as a measure of how good GGG and Loma are.

Shouldnt the same thing apply to Floyd?

I get what you're saying. Kind of. I can possibly see Manny delaying but what advantage was it for Mosley and Oscarto delay? They were just getting older.

But in the end i.m.o none of the delays and none of the 'who's fault was it' matters. What you have is a resume - what actually transpired. It's not a case of holding things against Floyd - its just looking at the reality and assessing accordingly.

The fact is that Floyd missed out fighting fighters in their prime - so that detracts from his resume. Canelo fought a post prime Golovkin - that detracts from his resume. Ward fought a primer version of Kovalev than Canelo - Canelo's win doesn't weigh the same as Wards. I look at P4P the same way too.

[IceTrayDaGang]

“That’s why people weren’t just running in.”

this doesnt mean he has power!! i am not saying floyd doesnt, of course his power is respected. but people not running in because they dont wanna get counter!!! has nothing to do with power!! if that's the case then why didnt all of paulie's opponents just rush him from the start? because they dont wanna get counter!

[djtmal]

Asked and answered directly.

Now can you answer the question I asked you honestly?

Where. Answer again. Did Floyd beat Oscar Mosley Cotto Shane in their prime

Yes or no

[djtmal]

Youre lying. Shane and Manny avoiding him is documented.

Him avoiding those guys is documented as well