Comments Thread For: Mayweather Had Canelo Level Power, Says Shane Mosley

[djtmal]

No shopworn boxer goes 5-2 and beats what you call a young, undefeated prime WW in Thurman if they are shopworn.

Oh so now Thurman is what? A prime young undefeated welterweight, to justify Pacquiao being still in his prime in 2015? You gotta be shi##ing me.

You and every Floyd boy on the planet claimed Thurman was shopworn hurt a cherrypick and downplayed Manny beating him altogether.

Your butt buddy Roadblock put up fotos of his red arm and the whole nine yards, making grand excuses.

But we know what thats all about don't we. He called for your boy Floyd for years and Floyd ducked. We know the rest of the excuses no need to travel down that road again.

I keep telling you if Floyd would have just beat these guys in their prime, you wouldn't have to make up so many excuses.

[Convict45]

Considering that he beat canelo easily, this is not crazy.

[The Big Dunn]

That's because the subject isn't about Manny. The subject is about Floyds power or lack thereof.

The subject can be about Floyd taking a bath, you and the Floyd boys try to make it about Manny through your false sense of security.

Floyd he had good power speed reflexes, boxing iq, but the criticism will always be about the level and primeness of his opposition once he became the a side, and it will stay that way. Posters around the globe have the same knock on Money.

Dude if Floyd just fought and beat the best guys in their prime, you would not have to make up so many excuses and change the narrative so much

Then why did you bring him up?

It was you that diverted the topic to Floyd not beating prime boxers as usual.

As soon as you get called on it, you want to go back to the thread topic.

If the best guys had just manned up and fought Floyd when they were prime instead of avoiding him, they’d have lost to him earlier.

Manny lost. Let it go.

[The Big Dunn]

You know Floyd he showed exceptional power when he sucker punched Ortiz with that two piece.

He also did when he landed that right in Manny’s face in round 1 that made him change his whole fight plan.

[djtmal]

No shopworn boxer goes 5-2 and beats what you call a young, undefeated prime WW in Thurman if they are shopworn.

Just look at the novel your butt buddy Roadblock wrote responding to me, that says otherwise about Thurman:

Me:

Excuses excuses.

He was also the man to beat. Beat two top prime guys to get two of the 4 belts that matter, had youth size reach on Manny, and Manny beat him. He was and still is, in his prime also.

Same guy that Floyd ducked to fight Andre Berto mind yous.


Roadblock:


He was broken thats why Manny chose him, it got him out of fighting Spence, he was all over it when Thurman was nearly stopped by Lopez, Thurman was broken you can try and polish a turd its still going to be a turd.

Read this very carefully because it tells very clearly why they chose Thurman over Spence, Manny was ringside when Spence beat Mikey and wanted nothing to with Spence, it even says so in the article, next thing Thurman looks a shell and boom Manny is fighting Thurman, this is Mannys modus operandi, did it with Mosley coming off a loss and a draw, did it to Rios and Mattheyse both shot, Margarito after 2yrs out for a bogus 154 title at 150.

Boy oh boy when you look under the Hood on Mannys career its just full off carefully selected matches under special conditions that the average fan pays no attention too, again Thurman was broken.



Every time Freddie Roach watches Keith Thurman’s last fight, he is less impressed with Pacquiao’s upcoming opponent.

It wasn’t just that Josesito Lopez almost upset Thurman when he hurt the heavily favored fighter in the seventh round. Pacquiao’s trainer considered it a poor performance overall for the unbeaten WBA “super” world welterweight champion and questioned whether Thurman ever can regain the form that enabled him to defeat Danny Garcia and Shawn Porter before injuries interrupted his career.

“I thought I was watching a four-round fighter,” Roach told BoxingScene.com following a Pacquiao training session this week at Roach’s Wild Card Boxing Club. “I mean, he was terrible. He didn’t do well at all. But if you look at each of his last three fights, he’s faded in each one. I’m not sure if it’s the biceps injury or whatever they’re crying about, but he hasn’t looked good in the three fights that I’ve seen and I do have his last seven fights on tape.”

Thurman came back from those troublesome moments in the seventh round to beat Lopez by unanimous decision in their 12-rounder January 26 at Barclays Center in Brooklyn. The 30-year-old Thurman (29-0, 22 KOs, 1 NC) obviously had to shed some rust in that bout because he hadn’t fought in more than 22 months due to elbow surgery and a subsequent hand injury.

Still, based on what Roach saw from Thurman versus Lopez (36-8, 19 KOs), he was surprised Thurman even agreed to fight Pacquiao next.

“I don’t think he’s the fighter he once was,” Roach said. “That’s why at the press conference I kept telling him we’re gonna kick his ass. Manny was being too nice. I just wanted to let him know, because he was giving it to Manny. Manny’s a nice kid and he lets that bounce off him, and sometimes I can’t.”

Though Thurman is 10 years younger than Pacquiao, Roach feels that Thurman is the one that needs to convince boxing fans that he still can compete at the elite level.

“He definitely has more to prove than Manny because he hasn’t looked good in a long time,” Roach said. “And he needs his fan base back. There was a time when he was knocking people out, like Manny Pacquiao was at one time, also. They both need to be impressive in this fight. You know, this is kind of one of those fights that they both need to win to keep going.”

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By the time Thurman and Pacquiao square off in their FOX Sports Pay-Per-View main event July 20 at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Thurman won’t have recorded a knockout in four years. The last opponent he stopped inside the distance was Luis Collazo, who couldn’t continue after seven rounds because he said he couldn’t see due to a cut over his right eye in July 2015 in Tampa, Florida.

The 40-year-old Pacquiao (61-7-2, 39 KOs) has knocked out only one opponent in the 9½ years since he stopped Miguel Cotto in the 12th round of their WBO welterweight title fight in November 2009. That victory – a seventh-round stoppage of Argentina’s Lucas Matthysse 11 months ago – and Pacquiao’s easy points win against Adrien Broner on January 19 have encouraged Roach regarding his chances against an opponent who was considered perhaps boxing’s best welterweight before his long layoff.

“He beat [Broner] every round,” Roach said. “I really enjoyed that fight. I thought he fought very well. It was the most aggressive I’ve seen Manny in a long time. I like when Manny goes forward like that, and takes the fight to them. And I feel in this fight, we’ll have to do the same thing, because if you watch Thurman’s last three fights, once he gets hit and feels the power, he will move. I think he’ll have to use pressure in this fight because I think that Thurman will run once he feels Manny’s power and speed.”

As confident as Roach is about Pacquiao beating Thurman, he wasn’t Roach’s first choice when it came time to pick Pacquiao’s next opponent.

Roach had hoped Pacquiao would face Mikey Garcia because he felt Pacquiao-Garcia would’ve been a more entertaining fight based on their styles. He also figured Pacquiao would’ve made more money for fighting Garcia (39-1, 30 KOs), but Pacquiao-Garcia became a less marketable match once IBF welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr. (25-0, 21 KOs) defeated Garcia so convincingly March 16 at the Dallas Cowboys’ AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

“His name was floating around, and then he got beat by Errol Spence,” Roach said. “We needed him to win that fight before we could make that fight. But this was what was offered and my job is to get him ready for whoever we’re in against. So, that’s what we’re doing.”

Pacquiao and Roach didn’t want to face a lesser opponent once the Filipino legend beat Broner (33-4-1, 24 KOs, 1 NC).

“We wanna be at a high level in boxing,” Roach said. “We’re not gonna travel around and fight the toughest guy in the local neighborhood. That’s not why we’re in the business. We’re in the business to be a champion.”

If Pacquiao can become the first fighter to defeat Thurman, he’ll become the WBA’s true welterweight champion.

Pacquiao won a version of the WBA’s 147-pound championship when he dropped Matthysse three times and stopped him last July 15 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. However, Thurman owns the WBA’s “super” welterweight title and has been a WBA title-holder in his weight class since he knocked out Diego Chaves in the 10th round of their July 2013 fight in San Antonio.

None of that matters to Roach.

“We’re 10 years older in this fight,” Roach said, “but don’t count us out, because I don’t think we’re going anywhere.”

Keith Idec is a senior writer/columnist for BoxingScene.com. He can be reached on Twitter @Idecboxing.


I mean, do you see this ****ing novel. Lol

What did the man call Thurman. A turd. A ****ing turd.

Same guy you claim was a prime elite fighter, your butt buddy called a turd cherrypick.

Insert more Floyd excuses here:

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[djtmal]

No shopworn boxer goes 5-2 and beats what you call a young, undefeated prime WW in Thurman if they are shopworn.

Quote=The Big Dunn - A week ago:


Thurman has fought like 4x in 6 years.

Yeah thats a busy schedule for such a prime young elite welterweight.



You got any more excuses fam

[The Big Dunn]

Quote=The Big Dunn - A week ago:


Thurman has fought like 4x in 6 years.

Yeah thats a busy schedule for such a prime young elite welterweight.



You got any more excuses fam

You called him that, not me. I was the one that used his lack of activity and bad performance against Lopez to refute what you called him.

Now all the sudden you’re moving away from that because if Thurman was what you claimed he was - a young, prime ww- that is proof Manny wasn’t shopworn as you claimed he was when Floyd easily beat him.

The objective data proves Manny wasn’t shopworn. Nothing you can do to change it.

Just like nothing we can do to prevent shane, fishnets and Manny from avoiding Floyd when they were prime.

Manny lost. Let it go.

[djtmal]

You called him that, not me. I was the one that used his lack of activity and bad performance against Lopez to refute what you called him.

Now all the sudden you’re moving away from that because if Thurman was what you claimed he was - a young, prime ww- that is proof Manny wasn’t shopworn as you claimed he was when Floyd easily beat him.

The objective data proves Manny wasn’t shopworn. Nothing you can do to change it.

Just like nothing we can do to prevent shane, fishnets and Manny from avoiding Floyd when they were prime.

Manny lost. Let it go.

Big Dunn the Flip Flop Man

Last week Manny and Thurman were in their prime, but after viewing the objective data (lol), this week they are not

[djtmal]

Big Dunn the Flip Flop Man.

If he can't come up with an excuse for Floyd, nobody can.

[djtmal]

You called him that, not me. I was the one that used his lack of activity and bad performance against Lopez to refute what you called him.
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Yeah yeah yeah we know Flip Flop man

aka the 68,000+ post, Floyd excuse boy

You got excuses or flip flops tonight boy