NSB: Tank wanting to drag Inoue up = bad. Crawford wanting to drag Tank up = good. Legit

[Roadblock]

Beltran and Burns also both won world titles AFTER Crawford beat them. And considering Beltran was a lineal title fight and Burns was Crawford's first title challenge I'd say both are very underrated wins.

It depends on what you think is the quality of those guys, I think too much emphasis is placed on titles and not the fighters, many titles are won and lost by contenders not elite.

[famicommander]

It depends on what you think is the quality of those guys, I think too much emphasis is placed on titles and not the fighters, many titles are won and lost by contenders not elite.

Beltran was for the lineal title. Meaning Crawford and Beltran were the consensus top two fighters in the lightweight division at the time of the fight. It wasn't just some random vacant alphabet soup belt. It was recognized by The Ring, Transnational Boxing Rankings Board, ESPN, BoxRec, and every other media outlet as a fight between the two best guys in the division at that point in time. As were the Postol (vacant lineal), Indongo (Crawford was lineal, Indongo was #1), and Spence (vacant lineal) fights.

[Roadblock]

Beltran was for the lineal title. Meaning Crawford and Beltran were the consensus top two fighters in the lightweight division at the time of the fight. It wasn't just some random vacant alphabet soup belt. It was recognized by The Ring, Transnational Boxing Rankings Board, ESPN, BoxRec, and every other media outlet as a fight between the two best guys in the division at that point in time. As were the Postol (vacant lineal), Indongo (Crawford was lineal, Indongo was #1), and Spence (vacant lineal) fights.

Again you are implying the title holders are the best, that's not necessarily so, contenders hold titles especially so where a guy can win a number of titles by beating one guy.

[famicommander]

Again you are implying the title holders are the best, that's not necessarily so, contenders hold titles especially so where a guy can win a number of titles by beating one guy.

What are you talking about?

There's only one lineal champion in every weight division. That's what separates a world championship from a world title. The lineal champion IS the man in the division and Crawford is one of only nine dudes in history to become lineal champion in 3 weight divisions.

[Combat Talk Radio]

First off , the ball is in Spence’s corner
He decides whether the rematch is on or off
Then will come the weight stipulation
Bud is just shooting off his mouth for people to get a rise and it seems to be working

I understand that - but the point is, he's coming across noncommittal. And NSB is not calling him out on it.

NSB trashed undisputed champion Jermell Charlo when he refused to fight his mandatories.
NSB trashed undisputed champion Devin Haney when he refused to fight his other mandatories. He at least fought one, beat the guy, NSB called it a robbery (it was close, NOT a robbery)
NSB trashed then-unified champion Canelo Alvarez for refusing to fight his mandatory.
NSB trashed then-unified champion Errol Spence for refusing to fight his mandatories.


...but when undisputed champion Terence Crawford openly refuses to fight his mandatory, who's been waiting for over a year, NSB is cool with it and says "eh, he doesn't deserve it".

Middleweight Canelo accepts a fight with (basically) a super lightweight (140) in Amir Khan, NSB criticizes him.

Welterweight (147) Errol Spence accepts a fight with lightweight (135) Mikey Garcia, NSB criticizes him.

Welterweight (147) Floyd accepts a fight with lightweight (135) Juan Manuel Marquez, NSB criticizes him.

Welterweight (147) Crawford wants to challenge a lightweight (135) in Tank Davis, NSB is like, "great fight!"

All I'm asking is for people to BE CONSISTENT.

[BoxingParadigm]

Why, Tank is in the middle it really requires a CW both ways, if Tank can do 130/5 then a Manny 144/5 would be fair for TC wouldn't it, and Inoue would need a CW also, its the trouble with being in the middle of both guys and talking about fighting 2 divisions both ways.

Because Tank fighting Crawford at 147lbs would mean Tank is fighting at his 4th weightclass. Inoue fighting Tank at or near lightweight would be his 7th. Tank fighting Bud is more comparable to Inoue beating Fulton.

[crimsonfalcon07]

The common theme here is Tank clout chasing the consensus best guys. He was the one to claim he would knock out TC, whose response was that he'd stay at 147 to knock Tank out and cash the check but that the fight does nothing for him and gives him no credit. Inoue didn't call out Tank. He's said he thinks he may be at his limit anyways. Shouldn't be talking crap about Bud OR Inoue. Call out the guy who hasn't won a real title in years and won't fight the top guys in any division, and is trying to insert himself into conversations about the big accomplishments by actual top fighters.

[Roadblock]

What are you talking about?

There's only one lineal champion in every weight division. That's what separates a world championship from a world title. The lineal champion IS the man in the division and Crawford is one of only nine dudes in history to become lineal champion in 3 weight divisions.

I saying holding the belt doesn't mean you are the best, that is always present, lets just say Boots can beat TC, there it is. My point is a simple one its not automatically the best guy who holds the titles, this forum seems to place the belts above all, as an example, Postel in my view is an ordinary fighter that won titles, I feel when it comes to the best fighters it runs way deeper than belts when talking about quality and the very best.

[Roadblock]

The common theme here is Tank clout chasing the consensus best guys. He was the one to claim he would knock out TC, whose response was that he'd stay at 147 to knock Tank out and cash the check but that the fight does nothing for him and gives him no credit. Inoue didn't call out Tank. He's said he thinks he may be at his limit anyways. Shouldn't be talking crap about Bud OR Inoue. Call out the guy who hasn't won a real title in years and won't fight the top guys in any division, and is trying to insert himself into conversations about the big accomplishments by actual top fighters.

Put it into the true perspective when did Tank say he could stop TC, wasn't it years ago, as far as Inoue, Tank said nothing Floyd with his promoter's hat on said it, if you ask me this is Manny all over again making CWs with Cotto, and making LWs be at the full 147, Tank just happens to be in the middle weight wise of two great fighters its obvious that public talk is going to be about both fights.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Put it into the true perspective when did Tank say he could stop TC, wasn't it years ago, as far as Inoue, Tank said nothing Floyd with his promoter's hat on said it, if you ask me this is Manny all over again making CWs with Cotto, and making LWs be at the full 147, Tank just happens to be in the middle weight wise of two great fighters its obvious that public talk is going to be about both fights.

Tank said that August 2 of this year. Said he'd stop Crawford within 6.

And yes, Floyd, and Stephen Espinoza, and several other people from Tank's side have been talking up Tank v Inoue. That crap is all coming from his promotion, not from anyone on Inoue's side.

It's clout chasing, plain and simple. When was the last time he fought a top 5 ranked opponent in his own weight class? There's nothing natural about inserting the name of a guy who doesn't even have a real title in the conversations about people who are 3-4 divisions away. Look how much flak Canelo is taking for fighting a guy who is two divisions away.