NSB: Tank wanting to drag Inoue up = bad. Crawford wanting to drag Tank up = good. Legit

[Combat Talk Radio]

Seems like you're just combining a whole bunch of different responses from different categories of people and then treating them as of one. And you're even picking and choosing which ones you want to combine too, while ignoring others.

For every criticism you say didn't happen, I actually did see them all over the place - both here and other websites. Once a fighter a reaches a certain level of notoriety, you're always pretty much going to have both positive and negative criticisms no matter what you do. I'm not even sure how you managed to mostly just see the ones you're mentioning.

Point out in the "I'll fight Tank at 147" thread how many posts are OPENLY and OBVIOUSLY critical of what Crawford said - calling him a cherry picker, calling a ducker, etc. I'm talking blatantly critical.

I'll wait

[Combat Talk Radio]

So if I'm a welterweight and God tells me he will destroy the planet if I don't fight a lightweight at 147, are you implying that's just as bad as Tank freely choosing to fight Inoue? Whenever the act itself is done, it should always be treated equally as bad?

Whether a person is making a trillion dollars or saving the world, who cares. We should train ourselves to always think of these scenarios in the same exact way every time. Is that the gist of your argument here?

Let's run with that bold part, right....



Manny Pacquiao before the Mayweather fight:

https://sports.inquirer.net/174254/p...-into-my-hands

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“This is God’s will. This is the fight that will glorify God.”

This was how world eight-division boxing champion and reigning World Boxing Organization Junior Welterweight king Manny Pacquiao described his May 2 fight with undefeated American boxer Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

Pacquiao said his fight with Mayweather would be a way to teach the American champion about the existence of God.

“I believe, God will deliver him into my hands. His defeat would make him realize that fame, money and material possessions are nothing without God in our life,” Pacquiao said.

Mayweather after a dominant win over Manny Pacquiao

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"First off...I'd like to thank God for this victory..."

Now...either God exists or they don't. If God exists, how can they have "failed" Manny and aligned with Floyd, the "bad" guy?

My point is: "God" would never tell you to take a specific fight or action. That's not how "God" works. So your question is moot.


If we want to talk reality and a real analogy...


We have a situation where weight classes are being ignored in favor of money.

If the A-Side doesn't have ANY opponent stepping up and no mandatories, fine...do whatever.

That's not the case with Crawford. He has mandatories AND fighters at or closer to his weight that are available, where he refused to fight them.

That's the issue here, bro.

[MulaKO]

I understand that - but the point is, he's coming across noncommittal. And NSB is not calling him out on it.

NSB trashed undisputed champion Jermell Charlo when he refused to fight his mandatories.
NSB trashed undisputed champion Devin Haney when he refused to fight his other mandatories. He at least fought one, beat the guy, NSB called it a robbery (it was close, NOT a robbery)
NSB trashed then-unified champion Canelo Alvarez for refusing to fight his mandatory.
NSB trashed then-unified champion Errol Spence for refusing to fight his mandatories.


...but when undisputed champion Terence Crawford openly refuses to fight his mandatory, who's been waiting for over a year, NSB is cool with it and says "eh, he doesn't deserve it".

Middleweight Canelo accepts a fight with (basically) a super lightweight (140) in Amir Khan, NSB criticizes him.

Welterweight (147) Errol Spence accepts a fight with lightweight (135) Mikey Garcia, NSB criticizes him.

Welterweight (147) Floyd accepts a fight with lightweight (135) Juan Manuel Marquez, NSB criticizes him.

Welterweight (147) Crawford wants to challenge a lightweight (135) in Tank Davis, NSB is like, "great fight!"

All I'm asking is for people to BE CONSISTENT.

It’s still fresh so let’s see what happens with rematch and then shoot off our guns
Remember the choice is Spence’s decision

[tomhawq]

You guys worry too much. Tank vs Crawford will never materialize. I don't see it happening. Not in my wild imagination.

[BLASTER1]

Let's run with that bold part, right....



Manny Pacquiao before the Mayweather fight:

https://sports.inquirer.net/174254/p...-into-my-hands




Mayweather after a dominant win over Manny Pacquiao




Now...either God exists or they don't. If God exists, how can they have "failed" Manny and aligned with Floyd, the "bad" guy?

My point is: "God" would never tell you to take a specific fight or action. That's not how "God" works. So your question is moot.


If we want to talk reality and a real analogy...


We have a situation where weight classes are being ignored in favor of money.

If the A-Side doesn't have ANY opponent stepping up and no mandatories, fine...do whatever.

That's not the case with Crawford. He has mandatories AND fighters at or closer to his weight that are available, where he refused to fight them.

That's the issue here, bro.

Bro.
He just had a fight w weeks ago.
learn to be abit patient

[Hustle]

I believe that interview is from the Breakfast club and is real old. Boxing media is weird. If he doesn’t fight Charlo after his next fight next then he’s ducking.

So if jermell gets flatlined by Canelo, Bud should still fight jermell next?

[Hustle]

Floyd would never let tank go get murdered by Bud.

Arum would never let Inoue go get murdered by Tank.


Just team tank talking out the side of their mouths about everything except the top dogs at 135

Shakur, Martin, Lomachenko are all available for tank

[Gate keeper]

Point out in the "I'll fight Tank at 147" thread how many posts are OPENLY and OBVIOUSLY critical of what Crawford said - calling him a cherry picker, calling a ducker, etc. I'm talking blatantly critical.

I'll wait

Specifically I'm referring to all of the situations you mentioned previously like Spence vs Garcia and Canelo vs Khan and so on. You're pretending as if there was only criticism for those fights. But I've seen people say they're big money fights and who did this guy beat to deserve a fight or Garcia called out Spence so he has to fight him now and so on.

If Crawford actually fights Tank, it will be the same. Are you really insinuating that it will be universally perceived as a great fight with no criticisms toward Crawford about weight? And the Gary Coleman guy in the thread you cherry picked already insinuated it wouldn't be a challenging fight for Crawford - thus not a great fight as you seem to have implied everyone has said it was now and will claim it is in the future for all of time

[Gate keeper]

Let's run with that bold part, right....



Manny Pacquiao before the Mayweather fight:

https://sports.inquirer.net/174254/p...-into-my-hands




Mayweather after a dominant win over Manny Pacquiao




Now...either God exists or they don't. If God exists, how can they have "failed" Manny and aligned with Floyd, the "bad" guy?

My point is: "God" would never tell you to take a specific fight or action. That's not how "God" works. So your question is moot.


If we want to talk reality and a real analogy...


We have a situation where weight classes are being ignored in favor of money.

If the A-Side doesn't have ANY opponent stepping up and no mandatories, fine...do whatever.

That's not the case with Crawford. He has mandatories AND fighters at or closer to his weight that are available, where he refused to fight them.

That's the issue here, bro.

My point is context matters. In your initial post you implied i guess that being ok with one fight and not the other is automatically hypocritical. You pretended as if it's impossible for there to be other factors as to why a person might be more accepting of one circumstance over the other.

And to your next point, fine. That's is your condition for whether or not it's ok to bring up a fighter from another weight class. Others have their own conditions. I'm just saying it doesn't automatically make you hypocrite as you insinuated in your original post. Context matters. A person could be ok with one fight and not the other and still be entirely consistent based on the underlying context of the fights.

Me personally I don't really want to see a Tank fight but I wouldn't be overly critical of Bud if he took it. It's a big money fight and if he doesn't, then delusional PBC fans will just say Crawford ducked Tank. GGG got the same criticism for Kell Brook all the way up until the time he actually fought him. And then it became he fought a smaller fighter, he's such a terrible person. Crawford will get criticized by the same fans either way so I don't mind him beating Tank just to see more PBC tears.

Furthermore, it's less egregious to me since Tank is ******ly calling out Crawford. Inoue isn't calling out Tank so to try to initiate a fight like that is much worse. That's also why I didn't mind the Spence vs Garcia fight. It was a decent money for Spence and Garcia was the one calling him out, Spence wasn't going looking for it.

And lastly Crawford clearly had trouble making 147 and already said he's moving up. I'm much more interested in seeing fight Charlo or Tzu at 154. I don't blame him for sticking around at 147 for Tank due to the money. But I'm not really interested in seeing a Boots fight to be honest. When he beats Boots, he will just morph in to a hype job who was never proven overnight. I'd rather see Boots take over the division after Bud leaves. If Crawford was fighting Joe Schmo instead of Boots, I might agree with you. But if he's fighting Charlo or Tzu instead of Boots, then yea. Those are more proven fighters than Boots and bigger fights overall so I don't have an issue with it.

[BoxingParadigm]

I wouldn't say they ****** fights they massive money fights but there will be CWs involved no real way around it, I mean it would be very brave for Inoue to fight Tank at 130/135 and it would be very brave for Tank to fight TC at 147, I don't care where they came from Im more about where they at, its like Arnie as a 20 yr old is irrelevant to winning Mr Olympia,at 23, once the body transforms it is what it is, not what it was.

I disagree, they're too far apart for either fight to make sense, and there's still plenty of work for them to do at or near their weight classes.

And you're doing fighter's a huge disservice by not considering where they started, which has a lot to do with their own bodyweight, and appreciating the weight of their accomplishments.