Benavidez-Andrade?

[Mammoth]

I'm aware. My original question: Did Sampson make the "7 million" comment before or after Andrade left MR?

EDIT: found the answer: https://www.boxingscene.com/benavide...-right--164149

Andrade was still with Matchroom. Sampson used the 7 million number because that's supposedly how much MR offered Jermall to face Andrade. He said that would it take more than that to face Andrade lmao

I stand corrected

[The D3vil]

Andrade ain't getting into the ring with anybody good, let's be real.

List of world titlists (not Regular or Interim) Andrade has faced:
(none)

He's 35 years old, he's 32 fights into his career, he has won titles in two weight divisions, and he still hasn't faced a single fighter that ever won a world title at any point in their careers.

Benavidez's resume is soft as hell too but even being 10 years younger he has 3 world titlists on his resume (Plant, Lemieux, Dirrell).

Canelo has 21 fights against world titlists (Vazquez twice, Baldomir, N'dou, Cintron, Mosley, Mayweather, Lara, Cotto, Khan, L. Smith, Chavez Jr, Golovkin three times, Jacobs, Kovalev, C. Smith, Saunders, Plant, Bivol).

Canelo's a cash cow, so he can fight whoever he wants at anytime, like Floyd could before him.

We just saw this with Crawford and all the PBC stans and the "who has he fought" nonsense that they used as an excuse to duck him for 5 years.

We saw it with GGG before Canelo with the "who has he fought" nonsense.

Andrade always been seen as high-risk/low-reward, so it's hard to evaluate where he's at like GGG & Crawford before him.

I'm not saying Andrade's perfect, but you can't compare him to Canelo or even Benavidez because of how the politics of boxing works.

If guys "haven't fought anybody", then guys should fight them, especially if they're champions and prove "they aint fought nobody"

[famicommander]

Canelo's a cash cow, so he can fight whoever he wants at anytime, like Floyd could before him.

We just saw this with Crawford and all the PBC stans and the "who has he fought" nonsense that they used as an excuse to duck him for 5 years.

We saw it with GGG before Canelo with the "who has he fought" nonsense.

Andrade always been seen as high-risk/low-reward, so it's hard to evaluate where he's at like GGG & Crawford before him.

I'm not saying Andrade's perfect, but you can't compare him to Canelo or even Benavidez because of how the politics of boxing works.

If guys "haven't fought anybody", then guys should fight them, especially if they're champions and prove "they aint fought nobody"

Stop making excuses. Canelo had already fought world titlists Carlos Baldomir, Lovemore N'dou, and Miguel Vazquez twice before he ever fought for his first world title. He wasn't a cash cow until he beat Cintron and Mosley.

Crawford had already fought world titlists Ricky Burns, Raymundo Beltran, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Viktor Postol, and Julius Indongo before he ever got to 147.

Golovkin had already fought world titlists Kassim Ouma, Daniel Geale, David Lemieux, Kell Brook, and Danny Jacobs plus ranked contenders Martin Murray, Marco Antonio Rubio, Grzegorz Proksa, Milton Nunez, and Gabe Rosado before he ever fought Canelo.

Bottom line is, if Andrade had wanted to fight somebody good he would have by now. He tried to fight Saunders, I'll give him credit for that, but that's it. He's literally the only 2 division world titlist in the history of boxing that has never stepped into the ring with another current/former/future world titlist. The only one.

[The D3vil]

Stop making excuses. Canelo had already fought world titlists Carlos Baldomir, Lovemore N'dou, and Miguel Vazquez twice before he ever fought for his first world title. He wasn't a cash cow until he beat Cintron and Mosley.

Crawford had already fought world titlists Ricky Burns, Raymundo Beltran, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Viktor Postol, and Julius Indongo before he ever got to 147.

Golovkin had already fought world titlists Kassim Ouma, Daniel Geale, David Lemieux, Kell Brook, and Danny Jacobs plus ranked contenders Martin Murray, Marco Antonio Rubio, Grzegorz Proksa, Milton Nunez, and Gabe Rosado before he ever fought Canelo.

Bottom line is, if Andrade had wanted to fight somebody good he would have by now. He tried to fight Saunders, I'll give him credit for that, but that's it. He's literally the only 2 division world titlist in the history of boxing that has never stepped into the ring with another current/former/future world titlist. The only one.

He tried to fight Canelo, what happened?

He tried to fight Munghia, what happened?

Eddie Hearn (who I'm no fan of, generally) said that Andrade is the most ducked fighter he's ever seen.

The only fight Andrade turned down was the one against Charlo 8 years ago.

I don't know why he did, but if you want to hold that against him, then fine.

But since then, GGG, The Charlos, Canelo, Munghia, and most of the fighters at 154-160 have ducked him.

[famicommander]

He tried to fight Canelo, what happened?

He tried to fight Munghia, what happened?

Eddie Hearn (who I'm no fan of, generally) said that Andrade is the most ducked fighter he's ever seen.

The only fight Andrade turned down was the one against Charlo 8 years ago.

I don't know why he did, but if you want to hold that against him, then fine.

But since then, GGG, The Charlos, Canelo, Munghia, and most of the fighters at 154-160 have ducked him.

Nobody is ducking him. He's the one ducking.

[joseph5620]

Stop making excuses. Canelo had already fought world titlists Carlos Baldomir, Lovemore N'dou, and Miguel Vazquez twice before he ever fought for his first world title. He wasn't a cash cow until he beat Cintron and Mosley.

Crawford had already fought world titlists Ricky Burns, Raymundo Beltran, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Viktor Postol, and Julius Indongo before he ever got to 147.

Golovkin had already fought world titlists Kassim Ouma, Daniel Geale, David Lemieux, Kell Brook, and Danny Jacobs plus ranked contenders Martin Murray, Marco Antonio Rubio, Grzegorz Proksa, Milton Nunez, and Gabe Rosado before he ever fought Canelo.

Bottom line is, if Andrade had wanted to fight somebody good he would have by now. He tried to fight Saunders, I'll give him credit for that, but that's it. He's literally the only 2 division world titlist in the history of boxing that has never stepped into the ring with another current/former/future world titlist. The only one.

All far past their prime and not legitimate challengers. Stop with that "world titlist" nonsense. None of them were champions when they fought Canelo.

Burns, Postol, and Indongo were current champions. Gamboa and Beltran were still in their prime. You can't compare them with the Canelo opponents you listed.

[famicommander]

All far past their prime and not legitimate challengers. Stop with that "world titlist" nonsense. None of them were champions when they fought Canelo.

Burns, Postol, and Indongo were current champions. Gamboa and Beltran were still in their prime. You can't compare them with the Canelo opponents you listed.

Canelo fought Miguel Vazquez twice on the way up. Canelo beat him in 2006 and 2008, he won his world title in 2010.

You're a casual fanboy. Andrade is a basic *****.

[joseph5620]

Canelo fought Miguel Vazquez twice on the way up. Canelo beat him in 2006 and 2008, he won his world title in 2010.

You're a casual fanboy. Andrade is a basic *****.

Miguel Vasquez is a former lightweight. You said he was a "world titlist" when he fought Canelo. You even tried to put Baldomir and N'dou in there as champions for Canelo That speaks for itself on who the ignorant casual is.

[famicommander]

Miguel Vasquez is a former lightweight. You said he was a "world titlist" when he fought Canelo. You even tried to put Baldomir and N'dou in there as champions for Canelo That speaks for itself on who the ignorant casual is.

What spurred this discussion was that Andrade has never fought anyone that won a world title at any point in their careers. That means future, current, or past world titlists.

Because if you're not a cherry picking coward and you're matched tough, some of the guys you fight on the way up will generally go on to win titles later. Crawford fought Beltran before he won a title too.

Andrade almost always takes the safest fight available to him. That's why he's in the situation he is right now, aging out of what little relevance he ever had. If he had taken some risks and beaten some decent fighters (it wouldn't even take that many, just 3 or 4 good names would be enough) he'd be an attractive option for top end guys like Canelo. But he didn't, so he isn't. He just fights nobodies and demands that someone gift him a megafight. He didn't put in the work of beating rising prospects on his way up, he didn't build his name by putting down former champions, he didn't force his way into big fights by beating top 5 contenders. He fought unranked nobodies for vacant belts and then defended them against even worse nobodies.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Solid matchup but Andrade won’t take it.

Still think Benavidez should fight Morrell.