Why didn't Usyk agree to the no rematch clause terms?

[Smash]

Is that not implying that that’s concerning a Saudi fight?

The date of that video is August 2022 meaning I assume that’s regarding the terms for initial Saudi date (Dec 22-Feb 23)

That would all change for a UK fight, which would be a lot less revenue and not massive guarantees.

in the interview he seems to be saying only saudi or wembley will generate enough revenue to satisfy the guys but he wants saudi for the cash so yeah it could relate to saudi only

[IronDanHamza]

in the interview he seems to be saying only saudi or wembley will generate enough revenue to satisfy the guys but he wants saudi for the cash so yeah it could relate to saudi only

It’s a mess really isn’t it?

Hopefully this all becomes redundant and they fight down the line.

[Smash]

It’s a mess really isn’t it?

Hopefully this all becomes redundant and they fight down the line.

Exactly, its quite possible that once the saudi deal fell through neither guy was too keen on the uk, it could have gone like this, Saudi falls through, Fury says ok im the boss ill offer the dosser 30% thats what he deserves, he didnt expect the dosser to take it BUT, usky took it knowing his demand of 70% to the winner in a rematch would not be accepted either, so it was a double bluff possibly with both guys making offers that the other didnt like & both can say they did there best and its the others fault blah blah, yeah on to saudi next year hoho or something like that

[ShoulderRoll]

But why would you not accept it to get the fight done to have the opportunity to win the all the belts and hold all the cards?

Because what happens if you lose?

Is it worth it to not have a rematch clause then? Just to get 30% of a purse?

[IronDanHamza]

Because what happens if you lose?

Is it worth it to not have a rematch clause then? Just to get 30% of a purse?

That’s the risk you take.

If the option is rematch clause or no fight, you think the better idea is walk away from it? Why?

He agreed to 30%, that’s his decision to accept, he didn’t have to accept it and I wouldn’t have blamed him.

If they can’t agree on rematch clause terms, how is saying get rid of it not the best option?

You’ve just criticised rematch clauses. Yet you’re suggesting that Usyk should die on the hill for it.

[Toffee]

That’s the risk you take.

If the option is rematch clause or no fight, you think the better idea is walk away from it? Why?

He agreed to 30%, that’s his decision to accept, he didn’t have to accept it and I wouldn’t have blamed him.

If they can’t agree on rematch clause terms, how is saying get rid of it not the best option?

You’ve just criticised rematch clauses. Yet you’re suggesting that Usyk should die on the hill for it.

You must be trolling now.

The reason getting rid of the rematch isn't the best option is because Usyk accepted 30% of the original split.
You don't take 30% as a unified champion unless there's a greater percentage in the rematch.

You acknowledge 30% was low. Fury mocked Usyk for accepting such a low percentage. It was clearly a low ball offer. When it was accepted, Fury moved to further low ball options of no rematch, or an unacceptable split in the rematch (Usyk on 50% as an undisputed champion).

I don't get what you don't understand. Usyk doesn't have to keep accepting low ball offers to make the fight when he's holding belts. Fury needed to come to the party and he didn't.

[Smash]

If the option is rematch clause or no fight, you think the better idea is walk away from it? Why?

Amer Abdallah, director of boxing of Prince Khalid bin Abdulaziz’s Skill Challenge Entertainment

"The most important thing for Usyk right now is that he’s got to defend the WBA title in Poland against Daniel DuBois. And then, God willing, he is victorious and we can bring Tyson Fury to the Kingdom. I think Tyson would love the fight and I think he wants to do the undisputed fight."

there is walking away then there is walking away

[Zelda]

Basic maths and zero commercial acumen.

The whole point is that Usyk didn't accept 30% for a single fight.

He accepted it in conjunction with a rematch where he would compensated better IF he won.

But that's not what my analogy was showing. l wasn't attempting to achieve actual boxing splits. It was showing that you might take an initial reduction in revenue for later improvement in revenue. Often referred to in business as a loss leader.

If there's no future improvement in revenue then you don't do a loss leader. Because you'd just be reducing the value of your product or service.

It's the difference between high school maths and adults doing business.

The point is he had both options...he can choose the 1-fight deal or 2-fight deal. He's the the same (or slightly better) terms than he got against AJ if he chooses the 2-fight deal.

[IronDanHamza]

You must be trolling now.

The reason getting rid of the rematch isn't the best option is because Usyk accepted 30% of the original split.
You don't take 30% as a unified champion unless there's a greater percentage in the rematch.

You acknowledge 30% was low. Fury mocked Usyk for accepting such a low percentage. It was clearly a low ball offer. When it was accepted, Fury moved to further low ball options of no rematch, or an unacceptable split in the rematch (Usyk on 50% as an undisputed champion).

I don't get what you don't understand. Usyk doesn't have to keep accepting low ball offers to make the fight when he's holding belts. Fury needed to come to the party and he didn't.

Yes you do when you’re the clear B side which obviously he is. We’re talking about belts like they mean anything when they don’t.

Mayweather got 90% of the purse fighting for Maidana’s belt, it’s irrelevant.

50% is more than fair for the rematch.

But again, no rematch clause would be the best option since they can’t agree terms. It’s that or no fight.

[LeOoze]

Fury didn't negotiate in good faith. The gap in popularity between Floyd and whoever he fought was much larger than Fury and Usyk. Furthermore, Usyk has most of the belts. Fury still is lineal and a bit more accomplished, but even resume wise they are not that far apart.

But tying back to Floyd, Floyd was much more accomplished and much more popular than whoever he fought, but his demands were far more reasonable than Fury.