Comments Thread For: Usyk: I Don't Even Care About WBC Belt, I Need Tyson Fury, We Need To Fight

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Usyk wasn't bluffing. He'd been in camp in Poland for months at that point.

They had no intention of fighting in April for far less money than they could make in Saudi.

Fury blew it by failing to make a deal with the Saudi’s. I consistently said there was zero chance of it happening in the UK.

[Superbee]

they are in the same division and arent fighting each other

Promoters... Find me any situation where Bivol or Beterbiev lost their cool ... They both want it...They both show respect... They both act like Champs and they know the meaning of it ...They both are an exemple to follow, in every sense...

[Liondw]

He's clearly not worried one bit about what challenge Dubois brings.

[IronDanHamza]

I think he’ll have a moment. I could see it playing out a little bit like Kovalev vs Yarde. Usyk outboxes him early, Dubois lands a big shot, Usyk weathers the storm, Dubois gasses and Usyk takes him out.

I'm not all the way sold on Usyk at HW yet.

I think he had issues with Chisora's physicality which is telling to me, I could see Dubois causing problems especially if he goes to the body.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Knowing it would be Dubois possibly? I don't know.

I don't understand why they didn't just scrap the rematch clause like Fury said. I think that's a weak reason to walk away myself.

No. You don't train for months for an opponent you haven't even opened negotiations for. That's called overtraining and how you get rhabdomyolysis etc.

They didn't scrap the rematch clause because it came from Fury in the first place. If you just agree to ****** games repeatedly, you get walked all over in negotiations. He already agreed to a BS split. They had date and venue set. They had agreed to rematch because it was in the original contract sent by Fury. Then greedy belly decided he wanted to change his mind. Who's to say he doesn't change his mind again the next day?

This is Fury we're talking about. The same guy who says he'll fight AJ for free, and then the next hour is talking about minimum 100's of millions for the fight, and "sign the contract in the next 30 seconds.". It's all games with him, and no serious offers.

So even if Usyk agreed to remove the clause that came from Fury's team in the first place, it's just another thing and another thing. As they said, you agree too much BS and they think they're going to put a saddle on you and ride you for all you've got. At what point is it too much?

And at any rate, no rematch wasn't even what killed the fight. What killed the fight was Fury whining about a bigger cut for the LOSER of the first fight. He wanted a better split for the loser than Usyk was getting for the fight in the first place. The guy who thinks he's going to win doesn't whine about making the purse for the other guy bigger. This is all about Fury making an issue of the split for the LOSER. If it's about money, who cares about the loser, who is just a defeated contender? Only the guy who thinks he's going to lose and is trying to kill the fight.

Can you name another time that a fight got killed because someone was asking for more money in a second fight to the loser before the fight even happened?

Why wouldn't the first undisputed heavyweight champion in the four belt era be due the lions share of the split? Purse bid rules would have dictated even smaller a cut to the loser.

It's mind boggling that people are so bad at math that they don't see this for what it is.

[IronDanHamza]

No. You don't train for months for an opponent you haven't even opened negotiations for. That's called overtraining and how you get rhabdomyolysis etc.

They didn't scrap the rematch clause because it came from Fury in the first place. If you just agree to ****** games repeatedly, you get walked all over in negotiations. He already agreed to a BS split. They had date and venue set. They had agreed to rematch because it was in the original contract sent by Fury. Then greedy belly decided he wanted to change his mind. Who's to say he doesn't change his mind again the next day?

This is Fury we're talking about. The same guy who says he'll fight AJ for free, and then the next hour is talking about minimum 100's of millions for the fight, and "sign the contract in the next 30 seconds.". It's all games with him, and no serious offers.

So even if Usyk agreed to remove the clause that came from Fury's team in the first place, it's just another thing and another thing. As they said, you agree too much BS and they think they're going to put a saddle on you and ride you for all you've got. At what point is it too much?

And at any rate, no rematch wasn't even what killed the fight. What killed the fight was Fury whining about a bigger cut for the LOSER of the first fight. He wanted a better split for the loser than Usyk was getting for the fight in the first place. The guy who thinks he's going to win doesn't whine about making the purse for the other guy bigger. This is all about Fury making an issue of the split for the LOSER. If it's about money, who cares about the loser, who is just a defeated contender? Only the guy who thinks he's going to lose and is trying to kill the fight.

Can you name another time that a fight got killed because someone was asking for more money in a second fight to the loser before the fight even happened?

Why wouldn't the first undisputed heavyweight champion in the four belt era be due the lions share of the split? Purse bid rules would have dictated even smaller a cut to the loser.

It's mind boggling that people are so bad at math that they don't see this for what it is.

So if that's the case then why not scrap the rematch or just keep accepting the "demands"?

It was 50-50 the original rematch clause offer wasn't it? That's what Frank Warren said that team Usyk didn't agree to. Then because of the back and forth Fury said scrap it altogether which I think's the best option anyway.

In regards to camp, if he'd been in training camp for months for Fury wouldn't that mean he was training for a supposed fight without their being a fight? It's the same thing. Team Usyk knew if Fury wasn't to happen that they were mandated to fight Dubois next.

[crimsonfalcon07]

So if that's the case then why not scrap the rematch or just keep accepting the "demands"?

It was 50-50 the original rematch clause offer wasn't it? That's what Frank Warren said that team Usyk didn't agree to. Then because of the back and forth Fury said scrap it altogether which I think's the best option anyway.

In regards to camp, if he'd been in training camp for months for Fury wouldn't that mean he was training for a supposed fight without their being a fight? It's the same thing. Team Usyk knew if Fury wasn't to happen that they were mandated to fight Dubois next.

The only question you should be asking here is "why wasn't Fury willing to bet on himself to get 70 in both fights?" He's the favorite, and the guy with all the physical advantages. Why was he making an issue about the purse for the LOSER?

There wasn't an agreed split for the rematch. They were negotiating that after Fury agreed again to his own rematch clause.

The original contract was 70/30 to Fury with a rematch, likely to be negotiated later as they usually are. Usyk called the bluff and agreed to that, and they had even gotten to date and venue set, and THEN Fury threw a fit about the contract that Usyk had already agreed to. So Usyk said if Fury's so sure he's going to win against the "jumped up middleweight," and wants more money, surely he'll agree to the same split for the winner, who would be the undisputed champion? Apparently not.

Usyk had been training, and Fury's own trainer said Fury hadn't even been in camp yet. Which one of them thought they were going to fight?

[joseph5620]

Would he still want to fight Fury if he loses to Ngannou and loses the wbc belt? Fat chance, I know. But i doubt he would still want to fight him if that happens, and I can't help but root for Ngannou. It would be a huge blow to the **** business that is boxing.

It's not happening.....

[IronDanHamza]

The only question you should be asking here is "why wasn't Fury willing to bet on himself to get 70 in both fights?" He's the favorite, and the guy with all the physical advantages. Why was he making an issue about the purse for the LOSER?

There wasn't an agreed split for the rematch. They were negotiating that after Fury agreed again to his own rematch clause.

The original contract was 70/30 to Fury with a rematch, likely to be negotiated later as they usually are. Usyk called the bluff and agreed to that, and they had even gotten to date and venue set, and THEN Fury threw a fit about the contract that Usyk had already agreed to. So Usyk said if Fury's so sure he's going to win against the "jumped up middleweight," and wants more money, surely he'll agree to the same split for the winner, who would be the undisputed champion? Apparently not.

Usyk had been training, and Fury's own trainer said Fury hadn't even been in camp yet. Which one of them thought they were going to fight?

Right but we don't know he was training for Fury though.

No I'm quite sure the rematch split get's agreed before hand and from what I can see from both parties Usyk wanted 70-30 which he obviously wasn't going to get and Fury wanted 50-50 (according to Frank Warren, unsure if team Usyk commented on that) to which they didn't accept, to which Fury said scrap it altogether then.

I don't see that as unreasonable at all to be honest.

I'm not saying Fury was overly keen on it for Wembley either by the way.

[SplitSecond]

Right but we don't know he was training for Fury though.

No I'm quite sure the rematch split get's agreed before hand and from what I can see from both parties Usyk wanted 70-30 which he obviously wasn't going to get and Fury wanted 50-50 (according to Frank Warren, unsure if team Usyk commented on that) to which they didn't accept, to which Fury said scrap it altogether then.

I don't see that as unreasonable at all to be honest.

I'm not saying Fury was overly keen on it for Wembley either by the way.

Fury wanted 50-50 IF HE LOST. it eas to be 80/20 IF HE WON.

Usyk obviously was only willing to agree to the 70/30 for the first fight, if in the rematch (should he win), it would be 70/30 in his favor.

so again. Fury wanted 70/30mfor the first fight. And if he won, 80/20. If Usyk somehow managed to win, only then would the rematch be 50/50.

Basically there’s no argument to be had here. Fury is a duck.