So, Wilder`s claim to fame is...

[famicommander]

These people don’t deal with facts. “Wilder only beat bums, bum-squad, yada yada yada”.

Joe Louis would be called a can-crusher in this generation.

I mean, they're not wrong when they say Wilder has a crap resume.

The issue is, so does literally every other active heavyweight. But he alone among them was able to rack up double digit title defenses.

[daggum]

Based on what. Boxrec? People choose what top 10 when it suits them i bet most of you don't even know which top 10 your talking about

well he wasnt ranked in any top 10 so that should make you happy. yeah maybe he was a hidden gem......DERRRP

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I mean, they're not wrong when they say Wilder has a crap resume.

The issue is, so does literally every other active heavyweight. But he alone among them was able to rack up double digit title defenses.

joshuas resume is much better. furys resume is much better. ruiz has a better resume. none of those guys have ten defenses which shows you defenses dont matter. at all.

[pollywog]

Bummmmmsquattttt!!!!

[crimsonfalcon07]

joshuas resume is much better. furys resume is much better. ruiz has a better resume. none of those guys have ten defenses which shows you defenses dont matter. at all.

Putting Ruiz on that list just proves you aren't being objective here, because Ruiz's resume is absolutely not better.

I said this earlier today, but the biggest names on Ruiz's resume are Parker (who he lost to), AJ (who he lost to), Luis Ortiz (who took him to a close decision, and it was a close decision even with several knockdowns, and an even older Ortiz than the one who Wilder beat twice by KO), and Chris Arreola, who also went the distance with him, and got stopped in 8 by Wilder. He's struggled with all the guys they have in common where Wilder stopped them.

And if title defenses are easy and meaningless, why is it that no champion since Klitschko has been able to do double digits? In fact, Wilder has about as many defenses as Fury, AJ, Ruiz, and Usyk combined. If the division is so weak, why haven't other guys been able to amass the knockouts and title defenses? All these arguments only actually reflect even more poorly on the guys who couldn't even achieve what Wilder did. Not to mention putting the supposed best guy in the division on the canvas several times.

Your metric says that sustained dominance by stoppage wins over the mandatory contender matters less than things like: vacating your belt rather than making a defense, vacating your belt ahead of getting stripped for doping violations, retiring multiple times for "mental health" reasons, getting forced to fight your mandatory by a court, losing to your mandatory, and partying so much that you lose to the guy you just beat. Those things, per your argument, are so much better than winning by knockout.

[SplitSecond]

Putting Ruiz on that list just proves you aren't being objective here, because Ruiz's resume is absolutely not better.

I said this earlier today, but the biggest names on Ruiz's resume are Parker (who he lost to), AJ (who he lost to), Luis Ortiz (who took him to a close decision, and it was a close decision even with several knockdowns, and an even older Ortiz than the one who Wilder beat twice by KO), and Chris Arreola, who also went the distance with him, and got stopped in 8 by Wilder. He's struggled with all the guys they have in common where Wilder stopped them.

And if title defenses are easy and meaningless, why is it that no champion since Klitschko has been able to do double digits? In fact, Wilder has about as many defenses as Fury, AJ, Ruiz, and Usyk combined. If the division is so weak, why haven't other guys been able to amass the knockouts and title defenses? All these arguments only actually reflect even more poorly on the guys who couldn't even achieve what Wilder did. Not to mention putting the supposed best guy in the division on the canvas several times.

Your metric says that sustained dominance by stoppage wins over the mandatory contender matters less than things like: vacating your belt rather than making a defense, vacating your belt ahead of getting stripped for doping violations, retiring multiple times for "mental health" reasons, getting forced to fight your mandatory by a court, losing to your mandatory, and partying so much that you lose to the guy you just beat. Those things, per your argument, are so much better than winning by knockout.

Ruiz beating Joshua > anyone Wilder has beaten in his life.

[Boxing 112]

he was not. check the link. https://www.boxingscene.com/heavywei...stakes--139130

Dominic Breazeale

Titles/Previous Titles: None

Age: 33

Height: 6’7

Weight: 255 ¼ lbs.

Stance: Orthodox

Hails from: Glendale, California

Record: 20-1, 18 KO, 1 KOBY

Press Rankings: Unrated


also i said 1 top 10 fighter. beating the same guy twice was redundant and unnecessary. he wasted his career ducking and fighting bums.

Pointless link the press and media rankings do not matter. At the end of the day there are 4 major organisations wbc wbo ibf wba. Brezeale was ranked 4 with WBC.

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Putting Ruiz on that list just proves you aren't being objective here, because Ruiz's resume is absolutely not better.

I said this earlier today, but the biggest names on Ruiz's resume are Parker (who he lost to), AJ (who he lost to), Luis Ortiz (who took him to a close decision, and it was a close decision even with several knockdowns, and an even older Ortiz than the one who Wilder beat twice by KO), and Chris Arreola, who also went the distance with him, and got stopped in 8 by Wilder. He's struggled with all the guys they have in common where Wilder stopped them.

And if title defenses are easy and meaningless, why is it that no champion since Klitschko has been able to do double digits? In fact, Wilder has about as many defenses as Fury, AJ, Ruiz, and Usyk combined. If the division is so weak, why haven't other guys been able to amass the knockouts and title defenses? All these arguments only actually reflect even more poorly on the guys who couldn't even achieve what Wilder did. Not to mention putting the supposed best guy in the division on the canvas several times.

Your metric says that sustained dominance by stoppage wins over the mandatory contender matters less than things like: vacating your belt rather than making a defense, vacating your belt ahead of getting stripped for doping violations, retiring multiple times for "mental health" reasons, getting forced to fight your mandatory by a court, losing to your mandatory, and partying so much that you lose to the guy you just beat. Those things, per your argument, are so much better than winning by knockout.

because they werent fighting bums. the second wilder fought a top fighter he lost so doesnt that prove it right there?

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Pointless link the press and media rankings do not matter. At the end of the day there are 4 major organisations wbc wbo ibf wba. Brezeale was ranked 4 with WBC.

sure they matter. its what people think of his opponents and nobody thought his opponents were good cept the wbc who has ties with haymon. have a nice one

[famicommander]

joshuas resume is much better. furys resume is much better. ruiz has a better resume. none of those guys have ten defenses which shows you defenses dont matter. at all.

Ruiz doesn't have a better resume. He has one good win (Joshua). Wilder has Stiverne and Ortiz twice. After that Ruiz's resume is literally just dudes they sc****d up off the floor after Wilder obliterated them. Liakhovich was literally a twitching mess on the canvas inside one round against Wilder and he took Ruiz the distance the very next year.