Comments Thread For: Spence Says Crawford Fight Negotiations Grueling, Tough Obstacles Due To Terence's Demands

[Monty Fisto]

The difference between me and you is I pointed out FACTS.... you pushing your emotional opinions. You can cry about Horn getting a "questionable" decision over Manny, but what the record books show is Horn winning the title.... Manny couldn't stop him in the 9th..... who's fault is that. Crawford didn't leave it up to the judges. Manny was bullied and pushed around (many illegal tactics admittedly)...... Crawford smacked that boy around. Plain and simple.

You are willing to question how Horn got his title, but you ignore that Porter was carrying a title he failed to take from Thurman. He fought another individual who failed to do the same to get it.. You ignore the fact that Ugas was given his title..........No only thing you acknowledge is......"Spence got 3 titles".......lol......The definition of a fan boy. Ignore any facts that don't add to the hype of your Man Crush....... It's all good.

We can end the conversation. Hopefully we can pick it back up after the fight if you are willing to come back around.

Why didn't Crawford snap up the belts if they were so easy to take? Did he think Amir Khan was a bigger challenge?

You talk about "facts" to shut down discussion where it suits you -- i.e. the widely-criticised home cooking in the Horn decision over Pacquaio, saying only the outcome counts, but then ignore the outcome when it comes to Spence picking up the belts. There the "facts" are not the outcome -- and clearly Spence being a unified belt holder is a stone, cold fact -- but the important part is discussing how the belt holders that he faced obtained the belts. If acknowledging that Spence holds three belts is the definition of a fan boy, then surely everyone is fan boy unless they are willing to deny reality. So, yes, perhaps we should end the conversation. I don't think you even understand the discussion, as I am not arguing Crawford cannot beat Spence, merely that Crawford has done less at WW thus far.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

Again you lied blatantly.

Espinoza said fighters are not given the privilege to DICTATE promotional expenditure, but giving them transparancy is rudimentary and isn't a problem.

Now you get YOUR ****** ass out of here!

Dumb ****, the video is still posted. There's even a thread and article on this site that points it out.... I'm done trying to educate your ******ed ass......lol.

You mad?........lol.......It's all good. You got a little over a month to talk **** before Crawford slaps your Man Crush around the ring........

I would say get your ****** ass up out of here but I said that already and your ass came back to tell me to do the same thing......lol. Good job buddy....... I'm out.... You seem like the type to need the final word..... Have at it.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

Why didn't Crawford snap up the belts if they were so easy to take? Did he think Amir Khan was a bigger challenge?

You talk about "facts" to shut down discussion where it suits you -- i.e. the widely-criticised home cooking in the Horn decision over Pacquaio, saying only the outcome counts, but then ignore the outcome when it comes to Spence picking up the belts. There the "facts" are not the outcome -- and clearly Spence being a unified belt holder is a stone, cold fact -- but the important part is discussing how the belt holders that he faced obtained the belts. If acknowledging that Spence holds three belts is the definition of a fan boy, then surely everyone is fan boy unless they are willing to deny reality. So, yes, perhaps we should end the conversation. I don't think you even understand the discussion, as I am not arguing Crawford cannot beat Spence, merely that Crawford has done less at WW thus far.

Silly mfer, you clearly don't follow this sport...... The Khan fight only happened because Danny turned down an official offer and Top Rank needed an opponent for Crawford. Khan jumped at the opportunity to fight for a title. Both Danny and his pops confirmed this. Bob Arum said as much. And EVERYONE WHO PAYS ATTENTION knows why Crawford didn't have the opportunity to fight for the other belts....... Thurman even stated as much in a couple of his recent rants, because he's getting the same treatment now.

PBC fighters didn't have a green light to negotiate a fight with Crawford until after they had lost their title. Facts..... Thurman disrespected Crawford's worth to state he doesn't belong in the ring with him all the way up til he lost to Manny. 2 weeks later, he was demanding a contract from Crawford.....what changed. Only opponent Crawford faced since that time was Kavaliauskas, his mandatory. Shawn Porter wouldn't even mention Crawford's name after beating Danny for his title. He was asked specifically who he would be looking to fight in the post interviews of the Ugas fight. He talked around the subject and was asked about CRAWFORD simply because Porter would say his name......he said maybe down the line.... After Porter lost to Spence and found out that he wasn't going to get an immediate rematch because Spence was looking to get in the ring with Danny, Porter and his daddy was on social media claiming Crawford needs to step to the plate and face Porter..... Why the change of energy. Danny has avoided facing Crawford in 2 divisions. At 140 Danny was in the position of fighting Viktor Postol or Bud Crawford....He chose to move up and fight Paulie..... The ONLY PBC fighter who openly said he would fight Crawford without allowing these "politics" to get in the way was Ugas, but he couldn't get passed Spence. He stated that if he is to win, Crawford has to be the next fight.

I gave simple facts.....what TF do you mean, "where it suits me"..... They are FACTS. **** that actually happened. **** that's documented.

We can question the "home cooking" of Horn's win all we want...admittedly I questioned it, but at the end of the day.... Manny couldn't get him out of there. He's a vet. You know you don't leave it up to the judges if you can. Manny was also manhandled. (Some of the tactics were illegal). Horn COULD NOT do those things with Crawford. He tried multiple times and got smacked.

You never seen me argue that Spence wasn't a unified belt holder. Your emotional ass is trying to create arguments that aren't there because you don't like the direction of the conversation. I said we should end the conversation because of your issue with the reality I am pointing out. And your response is "we should end the conversation because I don't understand the discussion, yet you are the one trying to argue points I never disputed.....lol. You are a special case....... It's all good though.. Have your fun buddy....lol.

[OnePunch]

PBC is not a promotional company dumb ass, it's a network.

Maybe you should know the actual content before correcting people about their spelling.

Also, your whole argument is BS.

Stephen Espinoza came out and revealed that Bud was given transparency and lied about it.

Bud said he would only accept no gaurantee if there was transparency about expenditure


The contract he got gave him transparency.

Espinoza said so, and Spence Spence said so. Spence even dared him to post the contract on media if he denies it and Crawford didn't reply cause he knew what's up.

You can't get cheated and get 5m if you have transperency about expenditure and revenue.

Nice try though...kid.

PBC is NOT a network genius, its a content provider, showcasing talent managed/promoted by Haymon Sports.

Showtime on the other hand, well THATS a network.

[Doubledagger]

PBC is NOT a network genius, its a content provider, showcasing talent managed/promoted by Haymon Sports.

Showtime on the other hand, well THATS a network.

Still not a promotion company, dumb ass!

[Doubledagger]

Dumb ****, the video is still posted. There's even a thread and article on this site that points it out.... I'm done trying to educate your ******ed ass......lol.

You mad?........lol.......It's all good. You got a little over a month to talk **** before Crawford slaps your Man Crush around the ring........

I would say get your ****** ass up out of here but I said that already and your ass came back to tell me to do the same thing......lol. Good job buddy....... I'm out.... You seem like the type to need the final word..... Have at it.

Trying to use reverse psychology to get me to shup up aint gonna work dumb ass. You dropped the ball and you know it! Now gtfoh!

[Monty Fisto]

Silly mfer, you clearly don't follow this sport...... The Khan fight only happened because Danny turned down an official offer and Top Rank needed an opponent for Crawford. Khan jumped at the opportunity to fight for a title. Both Danny and his pops confirmed this. Bob Arum said as much. And EVERYONE WHO PAYS ATTENTION knows why Crawford didn't have the opportunity to fight for the other belts....... Thurman even stated as much in a couple of his recent rants, because he's getting the same treatment now.

PBC fighters didn't have a green light to negotiate a fight with Crawford until after they had lost their title. Facts..... Thurman disrespected Crawford's worth to state he doesn't belong in the ring with him all the way up til he lost to Manny. 2 weeks later, he was demanding a contract from Crawford.....what changed. Only opponent Crawford faced since that time was Kavaliauskas, his mandatory. Shawn Porter wouldn't even mention Crawford's name after beating Danny for his title. He was asked specifically who he would be looking to fight in the post interviews of the Ugas fight. He talked around the subject and was asked about CRAWFORD simply because Porter would say his name......he said maybe down the line.... After Porter lost to Spence and found out that he wasn't going to get an immediate rematch because Spence was looking to get in the ring with Danny, Porter and his daddy was on social media claiming Crawford needs to step to the plate and face Porter..... Why the change of energy. Danny has avoided facing Crawford in 2 divisions. At 140 Danny was in the position of fighting Viktor Postol or Bud Crawford....He chose to move up and fight Paulie..... The ONLY PBC fighter who openly said he would fight Crawford without allowing these "politics" to get in the way was Ugas, but he couldn't get passed Spence. He stated that if he is to win, Crawford has to be the next fight.

I gave simple facts.....what TF do you mean, "where it suits me"..... They are FACTS. **** that actually happened. **** that's documented.

We can question the "home cooking" of Horn's win all we want...admittedly I questioned it, but at the end of the day.... Manny couldn't get him out of there. He's a vet. You know you don't leave it up to the judges if you can. Manny was also manhandled. (Some of the tactics were illegal). Horn COULD NOT do those things with Crawford. He tried multiple times and got smacked.

You never seen me argue that Spence wasn't a unified belt holder. Your emotional ass is trying to create arguments that aren't there because you don't like the direction of the conversation. I said we should end the conversation because of your issue with the reality I am pointing out. And your response is "we should end the conversation because I don't understand the discussion, yet you are the one trying to argue points I never disputed.....lol. You are a special case....... It's all good though.. Have your fun buddy....lol.

Swearing, typing in capitals, name calling.... Emotional responses to having someone discuss the topic at hand.

Re: never arguing Spence was a unified belt holder. Yes, it's a cast iron fact. We agree.

Strange then that you wrote this: ""Spence got 3 titles".......lol......The definition of a fan boy. " You sought to undermine the fact by characterising any acknowledgement of it as being a fan boy.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

Swearing, typing in capitals, name calling.... Emotional responses to having someone discuss the topic at hand.

Re: never arguing Spence was a unified belt holder. Yes, it's a cast iron fact. We agree.

Strange then that you wrote this: ""Spence got 3 titles".......lol......The definition of a fan boy. " You sought to undermine the fact by characterising any acknowledgement of it as being a fan boy.

So swearing hurts your feelings now... Sorry I thought I was talking to an adult..... Stop being a *****..... You don't have to take things personal. It's just boxing conversations.

Typing in caps is not evidence of emotions little boy. It's putting emphasis on the subject I'm trying to point out in the conversation. Now if you are reading it with emotions, then that's not on me. I have no personal attachment to this conversation you or the fighters we are discussing so how could I possibly be emotional about any of it.

Name calling.....again.....stop taking things so personal. If I'm hurting your feelings with something I'm saying, that's not my intent. I'm simply talking boxing.......

I'm not going to walk on egg shells talking about boxing with you so I guess I'll leave the conversation as is so that you don't feel I'm attacking you....... PEACE.

[Monty Fisto]

So swearing hurts your feelings now... Sorry I thought I was talking to an adult..... Stop being a *****..... You don't have to take things personal. It's just boxing conversations.

Typing in caps is not evidence of emotions little boy. It's putting emphasis on the subject I'm trying to point out in the conversation. Now if you are reading it with emotions, then that's not on me. I have no personal attachment to this conversation you or the fighters we are discussing so how could I possibly be emotional about any of it.

Name calling.....again.....stop taking things so personal. If I'm hurting your feelings with something I'm saying, that's not my intent. I'm simply talking boxing.......

I'm not going to walk on egg shells talking about boxing with you so I guess I'll leave the conversation as is so that you don't feel I'm attacking you....... PEACE.

Show me someone that is happy to be a called a "silly mfer" and I'll show you a silly mfer. And an almost universal rule is that someone who is unable to make their point civilly does so because their argument is weak. This isn't an exception.

I'm very happy for you to leave the conversation; be my guest.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

Show me someone that is happy to be a called a "silly mfer" and I'll show you a silly mfer. And an almost universal rule is that someone who is unable to make their point civilly does so because their argument is weak. This isn't an exception.

I'm very happy for you to leave the conversation; be my guest.

Soooooo, your emotions flared up because I started my comment with "silly mfer"..........As I said, don't take my comments personally. I'm not calling you a "silly mfer".....it's just in the conversation like when someone says "bro" or "homie" or "buddy".....just the way I talk.....But I understand what you are saying. I apologize for that.

My point were definitely factual and the conversation was civil. I never threaten nor attacked you. At least not intentionally.

I know you are happy for me to leave the conversation. You used me saying "silly mfer" as a scapegoat to ignore the facts pointed out. You have no response to them because they don't run parallel with your agenda. It's all good.

I came back to apologize as again, I wasn't trying to attack you. Peace.