Comments Thread For: Joe Joyce Exercises Rematch Clause For Zhilei Zhang

[BlackRobb]

what I can't grasp is that despite all his pedigree all the coaching at olympic level with the very best, he still fights this way. Either his coaches bank on his chin or he doesn't listen that much. Obviously in the last fight his face didn't hold up so doesn't matter if you can get hit by a rhino without blinking the doctors take it out of your hands.

He believed his mystique of being "The Juggernaut" and did very little film study or technical preparation. The Parker KO was fool's gold.

[gooderz84]

Except for one thing: When has Joyce ever exhibited patience in the ring? You're asking a 37 year set in his ways with virtually no defense to patiently work behind his jab for half the fight. Not happening.

what I can't grasp is that despite all his pedigree all the coaching at olympic level with the very best, he still fights this way. Either his coaches bank on his chin or he doesn't listen that much. Obviously in the last fight his face didn't hold up so doesn't matter if you can get hit by a rhino without blinking the doctors take it out of your hands.

[BlackRobb]

I think the idea of making an adjustment got pounded into his head, yes.

I doubt it, but we shall see. I think Joyce gets mashed again, though I hope I'm wrong.

[BlackRobb]

I think the idea of making an adjustment got pounded into his head, yes.

We shall see, won't we? I think Joyce will take another beating. I hope I'm wrong.

[Toffee]

How? He can't get away from the left hand, doesn't have head movement or much defense at all, he's abnormally slow, and he doesn't have one punch knock out power, so that takes away the puncher's chance. Joyce is going to take a brutal beating.

But Joyce can take a brutal beating and still win.

He got battered by Zhang but I wouldn't have backed against him taking that fight on points were it not for the eye closing over.

I think Zhang will need to stop him. He's not that easy to stop.

[kafkod]

I can envision the rematch going the full 12 rounds.

It is clear Zhang has punching power that can breach Joyce's threshold.

So? I was honestly expecting Joyce to fight Zhang the same way he fought Dubois.

In that fight vs Dubios, Joyce's defense and awareness was the best it has ever been.

Joyce was still getting whacked by Dubois, but he was fighting a really disciplined fight 'Solid Jab and movement. Joyce seem to be actively trying to avoid Dubois attacks instead of just wading through the power'.

Those are the revised tactics, I am expecting from Joyce. I think coming into the first fight, the hype he received from his win vs Parker 'May have been taken too literally'.

Parker is a big puncher, but Zhang is a level above etc.

It's hard to say whether Joyce didn't show Zhang enough respect or whether he was trying to be careful and disciplined, but just couldn't handle the southpaw stance, especially the speed and accuracy of Zhang's left cross, which he throws without any tells. We'll find out in the rematch, I guess.

[Willow The Wisp]

I can envision the rematch going the full 12 rounds.

It is clear Zhang has punching power that can breach Joyce's threshold.

So? I was honestly expecting Joyce to fight Zhang the same way he fought Dubois.

In that fight vs Dubios, Joyce's defense and awareness was the best it has ever been.

Joyce was still getting whacked by Dubois, but he was fighting a really disciplined fight 'Solid Jab and movement. Joyce seem to be actively trying to avoid Dubois attacks instead of just wading through the power'.

Those are the revised tactics, I am expecting from Joyce. I think coming into the first fight, the hype he received from his win vs Parker 'May have been taken too literally'.

Parker is a big puncher, but Zhang is a level above etc.

Agreed. Important to note too as we segue to discussions about Joe Joyce and his deficiencies is that Zhilei Zhang has been a slightly better fighter than Joseph Parker back to when he beat Parker at the AIBA World Championships in 2011.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Try and avoid his eye swelling, weather the storm better for the first 6 rounds as Zhang only really has 6 good rounds in him.

The tide was turning in the first fight, just by then too much damage was done.

Will he learn how to protect his face over night?

If not, Zhang destroys his face again.

[Tecnoworld]

Very dangerous fight but probably the only chance for jj

[Willow The Wisp]

Joyce should take the step aside money and let boxing be bigger than the UK. Joyce has some high capabilities as he demonstrated against Parker, and there are boatloads of good heavyweights that he is capable of smashing to bits!
Zhilei Zhang isn't one of them.