Dana White FORCES the best to fight the best every single week while in boxing it takes YEARS for the best to fight. No wonder people see boxing as a dying sport.

[TMLT87]

The ground and pound game can't happen unless a jawless kicker gets chinned.
A bunch on nonsense before a lucky tap lands, then the rolling around commences.
A bunch of opportunistic ''punches'' are landed until ref dives in to save the fallen great.

Lol you are so biased and dismissive against it. "lucky taps", fights being "a bunch of nonsense", the grappling game being "rolling around". Cant bring yourself to describe their punches as punches etc etc. I do think a lot of boxing fans have this weird attitude towards MMA where the criticism enters irrational territory.


I'm not just talking about ground and pound, I mean the entire grappling game from takedowns to subs and transitions. And of course GNP can and does happen at any time on the ground.

[BodyBagz]

Lol you are so biased and dismissive against it. "lucky taps", fights being "a bunch of nonsense", the grappling game being "rolling around". Cant bring yourself to describe their punches as punches etc etc. I do think a lot of boxing fans have this weird attitude towards MMA where the criticism enters irrational territory.


I'm not just talking about ground and pound, I mean the entire grappling game from takedowns to subs and transitions. And of course GNP can and does happen at any time on the ground.

It's some of both
Me making too little of it and you making too much of it.

After the love tap has dazed the opponent beyond all recovery, the aggressor pounces on the fallen victim in a wild display of barbarism.
Forcing the Man In Black to save him.

[tritium_arma]

Why didn't Ngannou vs Jones get made?

[TMLT87]

It's some of both
Me making too little of it and you making too much of it.

I dont think saying top UFC fighters arent bar room brawlers is making too much of it. I mean, if you wanna criticize it for something reasonable like thei standard of pure boxing in MMA being poor then i'm completely in agreement. I also think the UFC and MMA in general was at its best in the 00s and early 10s. Its declined as an entertainment product in many ways since then.

Why didn't Ngannou vs Jones get made?

Because boxing style politics has corrupted MMA to some degree now thanks to the precedent set by stuff like Conor/Floyd and Jake Paul.

But they did then make Jones/Gane in a timely fashion, which in itself was a major fight and many people thought Gane should have got the nod over Ngannou anyway.

[BodyBagz]

Can't wait for the next alt, I mean MMA fan, to post yet another anti boxing thread in a boxing site

Boxing is dead
MMA is the best
Zzzzzzz........

[CharlieStewart]

You can't fault fighters getting the best deals they can but the culture shift thanks to the mayweather effect, fans accepting guys delaying and avoiding fighters, cherry picking rather than giving fans the fights they want to see has had a hugely negative effect on the popularity of boxing in the US and around the world.

This problem was made even worse by the influx of ****** investors into boxing like roc nation and dazn after the anti climatic pac-mayweather fight, massively over paying boxers more money than they generate forcing every promoter and network to have to do the same to compete and now every half decent fight has to be on ppv.

Dazn's much lauded 'end of ppv' had the opposite effect.

Even if the market corrected it self, and it will, all these guys can't afford to keep losing money I don't see a lot of hope for boxing in the US. There simply isn't enough American or American based talent in boxing to make it be able to compete with UFC. Many of the biggest and most important fights aren't even happening in the US anymore. There are far too many weight classes, and far too many belts, too many networks and not enough talent. Not to mention the corruption with the governing bodies and judging which protects fighters from having to face the best and an inevitable possible robbery if the a side wins a few rounds when the big fights eventually do happen.

As someone who strongly prefers boxing to mma and used to hate the UFC as human chicken fighting with WWF vibes I follow UFC more than Boxing these days. It's just easier, cheaper and the best fights you want to see tend to the happen.

You know Boxing is being left in the mud by UFC when it's even losing the hard cores to UFC now.

[TMLT87]

After the love tap has dazed the opponent beyond all recovery, the aggressor pounces on the fallen victim in a wild display of barbarism.
Forcing the Man In Black to save him.

Btw, on this topic, so dont you think fights being able to carry on on the ground is unique and interesting and adds a new dynamic?

I like the gut check aspect of counts in boxing as well, but MMAs approach also gives it more of a split second high stakes feeling. That you can get rocked hard and the only chance you have to recover and regain your composure is the time you can buy for yourself in that moment.

[War Room]

Conor fought Khabib, Aldo, Poirier 3x, Holloway, Alvarez, Nate twice and is gonna fight Chandler next. Thats a shark tank.

I didn't ask that, I asked =---> was Conor McGregor vs Donald Cerrone the best vs the best?

Answer the question as it was asked.

[TMLT87]

I didn't ask that, I asked =---> was Conor McGregor vs Donald Cerrone the best vs the best?

Answer the question as it was asked.

No it wasnt. But it was also the biggest star in the sport coming back after a bad loss and a 15 month absence, getting one relative soft touch comeback fight (bearing in mind Cowboys 2 losses before that were to top 5 level opponents) in between having fights against elite opponents.

Stuff like Conor/Cowboy is standard in boxing anyway. It was considered pretty outrageous for the UFC.

[War Room]

No it wasnt.

Thank you.

Is Jone Jones vs Ciryl Gane the best vs the best?