Bam Rodriguez is overrated IMO.

[Malvado]

He never dominated last night, he fully deserved the decision and probably won 8 or 9 rounds but he certainly didn’t dominate. Gonzalez landed some good shots, did damage and finished the stronger of the two.

As I’ve mentioned I don’t put much stock into the Cuadras and SSR wins tbh, they were both washed. The fact he stopped SSR was the only thing that surprised me about those fights.

Bam struggles to effectively cut off the ring which makes me think Edwards will give him problems. I still make Bam the favourite but I think that’ll be a testing fight for him.

Just rewatched the fight, pretty sure Jesse won and did dominate most rounds. Gave Gonzalez rounds 1,7 and 11 in which he rocked bam with a jab due to the broken jaw and round twelve was pretty close since Rodriguez's hasn't recovered completely but Bam edged it imo.

You might not consider wins over Cuadras and Rungvisai in the decline impressive, but I do since they weren't shot, looking at their prior performances they were still pretty dangerous and at the time Jesse Rodriguez was 22 years old with no marquee wins while moving up two weight classes to fight them. It was the same version Cuadras that made Estrada hit the canvas before losing his winning streak and Rungvisai was coming from a three-win streak with one of them being Amnat Ruenroeng (20-3) who had wins over Arroyo, Ioka and Casimero.

Bam was cutting the ring just fine and was applying body work throughout the fight until the mid-rounds. Hate sounding like a broken radio but I think Edwards gets brutally battered onto a late stoppage, Samuel Carmona stands a much better chance.

Like I said before, agree to disagree. You might not agree with my take so that's just fine.

[Cypocryphy]

Just rewatched the fight, pretty sure Jesse won and did dominate most rounds. Gave Gonzalez rounds 1,7 and 11 in which he rocked bam with a jab due to the broken jaw and round twelve was pretty close since Rodriguez's hasn't recovered completely but Bam edged it imo.

You might not consider wins over Cuadras and Rungvisai in the decline impressive, but I do since they weren't shot, looking at their prior performances they were still pretty dangerous and at the time Jesse Rodriguez was 22 years old with no marquee wins while moving up two weight classes to fight them. It was the same version Cuadras that made Estrada hit the canvas before losing his winning streak and Rungvisai was coming from a three-win streak with one of them being Amnat Ruenroeng (20-3) who had wins over Arroyo, Ioka and Casimero.

Bam was cutting the ring just fine and was applying body work throughout the fight until the mid-rounds. Hate sounding like a broken radio but I think Edwards gets brutally battered onto a late stoppage, Samuel Carmona stands a much better chance.

Like I said before, agree to disagree. You might not agree with my take so that's just fine.

Do you think Bam looked better fighting Sor than he did fighting Gonzales last night? You know, aside from the broken jaw and everything. Just how Bam was fighting ... do you think he looked better when he fought Sor?

I'm asking because I think he did. I think his footwork, punch selection, defense, was just far better. Bam doesn't take angles anymore either. It's not just my saying it either. Sergio Mora said it too. He said that he hadn't seen Bam take an angle until the 11th round. Mora said, "Bam finally took an angle. A little one but he took one." I know you heard that.

So what's going on there? Why is he looking worse?

[Malvado]

Do you think Bam looked better fighting Sor than he did fighting Gonzales last night? You know, aside from the broken jaw and everything. Just how Bam was fighting ... do you think he looked better when he fought Sor?

I'm asking because I think he did. I think his footwork, punch selection, defense, was just far better. Bam doesn't take angles anymore either. It's not just my saying it either. Sergio Mora said it too. He said that he hadn't seen Bam take an angle until the 11th round. Mora said, "Bam finally took an angle. A little one but he took one." I know you heard that.

So what's going on there? Why is he looking worse?

Everything was there, just that it was difficult to apply angles against a rangy illusive fighter compared to a fighter who's willing to engage.

Against Gonzalez he mostly applied bodywork while cutting the ring because that strategy was working so far. Once he got injured during the mid rounds, he tossed the fundamentals aside in search of the knockout. There also the 7-8 month ring rust factor.

You have to take onto account that he doesn't have the amateur experience that Loma had agaisn't a grand diversity of styles as he fought nearly 400 fights in the amateurs, won the olympic gold medal twice and had fought world champions immediately after he debuted.

Jesse Rodriguez is more similar to Orlando Canizales who learned the ropes during his professional career.

Jesse only had 21 amateur fights and Canizalez had 2 fights.

[Cypocryphy]

Everything was there, just that it was difficult to apply angles against a rangy illusive fighter compared to a fighter who's willing to engage.

Against Gonzalez he mostly applied bodywork while cutting the ring because that strategy which was working so far. but once he got injured during the mid rounds, he tossed the fundamentals aside in search of the knockout. There also the 7-8 month ring rust factor.

You have to take onto account that he doesn't have the amateur experience that Loma had agaisn't a grand diversity of styles as he fought nearly 400 fights in the amateurs, won the olympic gold medal twice and had fought world champions immediately after he debuted.

Jesse Rodriguez is more similar to Orlando Canizales who learned the ropes during his professional career.

Jesse only had 21 amateur fights and Canizalez had 2 fights.

That's a good point. He is more like Canizales in that way. And it is true that a mover who doesn't engage is harder to get lateral on. I just didn't like how many shots he ate. I don't remember Bam taking so many shots before.

But you do make a good point. We'll have to see how he is after his jaw heals. He's still one of my favorite boxers right now. I'll always root for him. I just worry that he's abandoning that which got him to where he is now.

[Sctrojan]

Do you think Bam looked better fighting Sor than he did fighting Gonzales last night? You know, aside from the broken jaw and everything. Just how Bam was fighting ... do you think he looked better when he fought Sor?

I'm asking because I think he did. I think his footwork, punch selection, defense, was just far better. Bam doesn't take angles anymore either. It's not just my saying it either. Sergio Mora said it too. He said that he hadn't seen Bam take an angle until the 11th round. Mora said, "Bam finally took an angle. A little one but he took one." I know you heard that.

So what's going on there? Why is he looking worse?

The answer is in the same question you asked. Of course Bam wasn't looking for those same angles nor did they present themselves last night because unlike Cuadras n Sor,Christian didnt take the lead to give Bam those same openings. Bam worked with what was given,which was a young,rangy capable fighter,content on sticking and moving but yet jesse did what most couldn't do,and still beat that ass.

[EmpiresBoxing]

Yes a very overrated boxer.

[Cypocryphy]

The answer is in the same question you asked. Of course Bam wasn't looking for those same angles nor did they present themselves last night because unlike Cuadras n Sor,Christian didnt take the lead to give Bam those same openings. Bam worked with what was given,which was a young,rangy capable fighter,content on sticking and moving but yet jesse did what most couldn't do,and still beat that ass.

That's not true. You can take angels on a moving fighter. Albeit it's more difficult, but at some point, Gonzales has to set, and that's when you attack. Gonzales was setting, and even when he wasn't and moving to Bam's left, Bam should have taking that strong side and cut off his path of retreat. Trust me. I know. But for argument's sake, let's just say you are right. That the reason he couldn't was because Gonzales presented a moving target. That still doesn't explain why he didn't take any angles on Israel Gonzales, who was right there in front of him the whole night. Instead he chose to **** it out, just like he did last night. And that's why I said what I did. This is not just a one off. He's done this for a couple fights now.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Just rewatched the fight, pretty sure Jesse won and did dominate most rounds. Gave Gonzalez rounds 1,7 and 11 in which he rocked bam with a jab due to the broken jaw and round twelve was pretty close since Rodriguez's hasn't recovered completely but Bam edged it imo.

You might not consider wins over Cuadras and Rungvisai in the decline impressive, but I do since they weren't shot, looking at their prior performances they were still pretty dangerous and at the time Jesse Rodriguez was 22 years old with no marquee wins while moving up two weight classes to fight them. It was the same version Cuadras that made Estrada hit the canvas before losing his winning streak and Rungvisai was coming from a three-win streak with one of them being Amnat Ruenroeng (20-3) who had wins over Arroyo, Ioka and Casimero.

Bam was cutting the ring just fine and was applying body work throughout the fight until the mid-rounds. Hate sounding like a broken radio but I think Edwards gets brutally battered onto a late stoppage, Samuel Carmona stands a much better chance.

Like I said before, agree to disagree. You might not agree with my take so that's just fine.

How can you dominate somebody when they broke your f***ing jaw? Come on man that’s crazy talk. He definitely won the fight but dominating is what Shakur did to that Japanese contender.

They were both clearly washed, you’re really gonna list Amnat, he’s essentially a journeyman now and is even more washed than SSR is. Be honest now, have you even seen that fight with SSR? The fact SSR struggled with a washed version of Ruenrong is the reason most us realised he was cooked.

[crimsonfalcon07]

More people showing they have zero ring experience. If you're a total amateur, cutting off the ring is footwork. They teach you the footwork first because that's the harder part. But you have to be able to keep them in front of you and that means shots to keep them positioned. That's way harder if you're the fighter with less reach. Anyone who says differently is just parroting points from other people with no understanding of what goes into it.

Chocolatito has never been at a significant reach disadvantage against a top level opponent. The most reach disadvantage he's had has been 2 inches against Estrada, and he's not exactly done well against El Gallo. So that's not a good example.

Gonzalez had a pretty large reach advantage and he used it repeatedly to pop out a jab that keeps his opponent blinded and stationary for a split second that permits him to exit out. He was smart and didn't always pick the same side. Bivol is another fighter who's very good at getting out, even against opponents who normally are "good at cutting off the ring."

As for why he fought SSR and Cuadras differently than Cristian González, González was both frequently in southpaw and also never stopped moving. The primary southpaw angle for Bam and for Loma is a little step out with lead followed by a shift step, which takes them completely around the lead foot of an Orthodox fighter to the T. But for another southpaw, that entire angle is in line with the power shot. Getting an angle around the lead of the southpaw requires a big step and pivot, or else you have to use little ones that leave you in front, and NONE are possible if the opponent moves before you're in range. SSR and Cuadras both stood very still. SSR especially fights very flat footed, as do most Thai fighters. They have lots of power that way, but that leaves openings for opponents with good footwork. If you had any experience at all with the footwork required to take those angles, you could answer your question yourself by trying it out yourself with a partner. Put them in orthodox vs southpaw and try to get angles and see how far you have to move, and then have them put a hand in your face and move out and laterally every time you try to move in. See if you can get an angle. You'll understand VERY quickly why this was a different fight.

And it was a different fight that he still won handily. He got his jaw broken because he got caught with his mouth open, not because he wasn't dominant. Even to suggest something like that is utterly asinine, and proves the person commenting doesn't have any ring experience at all. Plenty of top fighters have been injured in fights. Let's see you fight through a broken jaw for 6 rounds. What did you accomplish by 23?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

More people showing they have zero ring experience. If you're a total amateur, cutting off the ring is footwork. They teach you the footwork first because that's the harder part. But you have to be able to keep them in front of you and that means shots to keep them positioned. That's way harder if you're the fighter with less reach. Anyone who says differently is just parroting points from other people with no understanding of what goes into it.

Chocolatito has never been at a significant reach disadvantage against a top level opponent. The most reach disadvantage he's had has been 2 inches against Estrada, and he's not exactly done well against El Gallo. So that's not a good example.

Gonzalez had a pretty large reach advantage and he used it repeatedly to pop out a jab that keeps his opponent blinded and stationary for a split second that permits him to exit out. He was smart and didn't always pick the same side. Bivol is another fighter who's very good at getting out, even against opponents who normally are "good at cutting off the ring."

As for why he fought SSR and Cuadras differently than Cristian González, González was both frequently in southpaw and also never stopped moving. The primary southpaw angle for Bam and for Loma is a little step out with lead followed by a shift step, which takes them completely around the lead foot of an Orthodox fighter to the T. But for another southpaw, that entire angle is in line with the power shot. Getting an angle around the lead of the southpaw requires a big step and pivot, or else you have to use little ones that leave you in front, and NONE are possible if the opponent moves before you're in range. SSR and Cuadras both stood very still. SSR especially fights very flat footed, as do most Thai fighters. They have lots of power that way, but that leaves openings for opponents with good footwork. If you had any experience at all with the footwork required to take those angles, you could answer your question yourself by trying it out yourself with a partner. Put them in orthodox vs southpaw and try to get angles and see how far you have to move, and then have them put a hand in your face and move out and laterally every time you try to move in. See if you can get an angle. You'll understand VERY quickly why this was a different fight.

And it was a different fight that he still won handily. He got his jaw broken because he got caught with his mouth open, not because he wasn't dominant. Even to suggest something like that is utterly asinine, and proves the person commenting doesn't have any ring experience at all. Plenty of top fighters have been injured in fights. Let's see you fight through a broken jaw for 6 rounds. What did you accomplish by 23?

Israel Gonzalez and Fuentes both had considerable reach advantages over Gonzalez. So you’re wrong about that.

You only mentioned footwork because I pointed it out to you. You were rambling on about body shots before that.

You ain’t fooling anyone kid, you don’t know what you’re talking about.