Comments Thread For: Alexis Rocha Embraces Possibility of Facing Terence Crawford Next

[Griever0730]

Sry but fight fans don't have to push a fighter with a terrible resume.
Honest fight fans know a shltty resume when we smell one.
Dud's resume is stank AF.

Nobody is forcing anybody to push anything. The fans and media's opinion together create the consensus lists of P4P and he's been a stalwart on all of them for years. Crawford's resume isn't that great, but then again, what P4P fighter has what's considered a great resume nowadays? Aside from Canelo, pretty much none of them. None of the guys on the P4P list have a great resume by fans standards. It's about how great their ability in the ring is combined with their accomplishments. That's just the way the game goes.

[BodyBagz]

Nobody is forcing anybody to push anything. The fans and media's opinion together create the consensus lists of P4P and he's been a stalwart on all of them for years. Crawford's resume isn't that great, but then again, what P4P fighter has what's considered a great resume nowadays? Aside from Canelo, pretty much none of them. None of the guys on the P4P list have a great resume by fans standards. It's about how great their ability in the ring is combined with their accomplishments. That's just the way the game goes.

Are you telling me honest fight fans are unable to discern trashy resumes from legit ones ?

Compare Dud's ''resume'' to any legit resume.
You will not be impressed.

[Griever0730]

Are you telling me honest fight fans are unable to discern trashy resumes from legit ones ?

Compare Dud's ''resume'' to any legit resume.
You will not be impressed.

Not at all. But most fight fans are biased cheerleaders while picking and choosing how they dissect based on who their favorite fighters are. I'm addressing it from an unbiased standpoint bc I'm a fan of the sport, not of any fighter. It depends who you consider has a legit resume. Feel free to throw out some names for me. I'm curious.

[BodyBagz]

Not at all. But most fight fans are biased cheerleaders while picking and choosing how they dissect based on who their favorite fighters are. I'm addressing it from an unbiased standpoint bc I'm a fan of the sport, not of any fighter. It depends who you consider has a legit resume. Feel free to throw out some names for me. I'm curious.

Judging from the turnouts, Dud doesn't have that many fans, biased or otherwise
Honest fans should outnumber Dud fans 1000000 to 1.

Better resume than Dud
In no order -
Nelo
Spence
Usyk
Loma
Fury
Wilder
Plant
Biv
GGG (and that's saying something)
Tim Zoo
Adelaide Byrd
My next door neighbor......

[Rebelrbg]

I admire your dedication. Brook muscled up two weight classes and looked for all the world like he might pull off the upset. Dared to be great, absolutely!

Unfortunately he took heavy damage and in the end couldn’t continue. Only about 8 months later and more than 10 pounds lighter, after having a metal plate put in his face to hold things together, he was in the ring again facing Errol Spence. You are trying to sell this version of Brook as a great win for Spence. I don’t see how anyone is supposed to buy this.

It was a great win because Ring magazine doesn't just hand out number 1 rankings, and Brook was the number 1 ranked welterweight in the world when Spence beat him.

[4truth]

It was a great win because Ring magazine doesn't just hand out number 1 rankings, and Brook was the number 1 ranked welterweight in the world when Spence beat him.

Someone else’s fault then. It’s the people who were doing the thinking for you.

but, if you were to think about it, do you really think 8 months after having his eye socket broken, fighting in the MW division, Brook was in top form at WW?

[Rebelrbg]

Someone else’s fault then. It’s the people who were doing the thinking for you.

but, if you were to think about it, do you really think 8 months after having his eye socket broken, fighting in the MW division, Brook was in top form at WW?

Errol fought and beat Danny Garcia right after recovering from surgery for a broken orbital bone in his eye, no excuses.

[4truth]

Errol fought and beat Danny Garcia right after recovering from surgery for a broken orbital bone in his eye, no excuses.

At middleweight?

[Oregonian]

Boxing is a business first and Crawford got paid big bread to fight those guys you named. Why would a title-holder go after an interim titleholder with no name value and is basically unknown outside of the hardcores? Just bc the fans wanna see it? It makes no business sense for him. Ennis, while ultra-talented, has no real name value. Khan and Brook brought name value and money bc of their fan bases. Avanesyan was just BLK Prime not knowing what they were doing(which is why they're pretty much done before they even got started) and Crawford finessed them outta big bread. A P4P fighter IMO is a guy that takes good(not great) fighters and makes them look average/below average. Crawford has faced a lot of good fighters and made them look average. That's why he gets the criticism he gets just like every other P4P fighter whether it's Canelo, Spence, Inoue, etc. People are gonna criticize and downplay their competition and move the goal post higher bc that's how great they are. If Crawford wasn't that great, he wouldn't get the criticism he gets. It's all about the business and money at the end of the day.

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Basically you’re saying that Avanesyan and Rocha have “name value” and are “more well known” than Boots!

And then instead of owning a wrong, you justify it by saying BLK didn’t know what they were doing. They lost over $10 million and must have knowledgeable advisors but according to you they didn’t know what they were doing.
If you were running BLK, can you honestly say Avanesyan is a bigger name value than Boots? If your answer is yes, you are a damn liar and you know it. Are you saying Rocha a bigger name than Boots? You know both are not even close but go ahead and make your excuses.

As for your logic about Crawford’s criticism being about being great, well, we can use the same logic about Khan …
If Khan wasn’t great, he wouldn’t get the criticism he gets. Your own words

Crawfird is talented sure. But he is a coward who is clearly ducking Boots and Spence.

[Griever0730]

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Basically you’re saying that Avanesyan and Rocha have “name value” and are “more well known” than Boots!

And then instead of owning a wrong, you justify it by saying BLK didn’t know what they were doing. They lost over $10 million and must have knowledgeable advisors but according to you they didn’t know what they were doing.
If you were running BLK, can you honestly say Avanesyan is a bigger name value than Boots? If your answer is yes, you are a damn liar and you know it. Are you saying Rocha a bigger name than Boots? You know both are not even close but go ahead and make your excuses.

As for your logic about Crawford’s criticism being about being great, well, we can use the same logic about Khan …
If Khan wasn’t great, he wouldn’t get the criticism he gets. Your own words

Crawfird is talented sure. But he is a coward who is clearly ducking Boots and Spence.

Don't know where the excuses are bc I'm just stating based on open knowledge from a general perspective. Just calling it like it I see it. Doesn't mean I agree with it. You clearly didn't get what I said bc, as I stated about most boxing fans, you're picking and choosing what you wanna comment on that fits your narrative of degrading a boxer bc they're not doing what you want them to do. BLK Prime overvalued him fighting a lesser guy and look where they're at now. Rocha is a MANDATORY. He is being ordered to fight him. Can't be any clearer than that. Those situations got nothing to do with name value. In regards to Khan, he brought name value and was criticized for him thinking he was greater than he really was, not bc he was great. You believe that a world champion should drop his title that he worked hard to get, to fight an interim titleholder for less money than face a lesser name for more money just bc you feel that's what he should do? You wouldn't even do what you're preaching. Only a dummy would do some bonehead ish like that. It's prizefighting my man. They fight for the biggest prize they can get. Business comes before the fans. As a "boxing fan" you should know that by now.