Comments Thread For: Alexis Rocha Embraces Possibility of Facing Terence Crawford Next

[Oregonian]

How in the FCK are they going to market this mismatch

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The Crawford loyalist believe it’s a great matchup. They say it’s a test for Rocha and it’s a great fight for Bud’s resume. Just to shut you down, they’ll throw in the usual Spence Whataboutism.

[Oregonian]

I don’t how to respond to someone who attributes everything he’s ever heard that he disagrees with to me. Anyway, to reiterate, Spence and Crawford have mediocre resumes at WW. One is no better than the other. Crawford may have a few more light touches recently but that’s only because he’s still an active fighter, Spence’s last fight was Ugas. Apparently it takes a long time to get Haymon to sign a permission slip.

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These we’re your words about Spence’s fight with Brook - “You are trying to sell this version of Brook as a great win for Spence. I don’t see how anyone is supposed to buy this.”

You are discrediting Brook because of the damage he took from GGG, clearly calling it a mediocre win for Spence.

All I did was go back to history and why Spence went after the belt.

I’m literally using your logic when it comes to Crawford fighting Brook, Khan, Avanesyan, Rocha and even Broner (Crawford will fight him next).

As for their resume, I will not argue that except to say this; Spence owns three belts.
Crawford has been sitting on the top of the P4P list, shouldn’t he have a better resume than what he has?

[OnePunch]

Crawford doesnt have a promoter, so unless another BLK clown show surfaces that is willing to lose millions, nobody is going to bid a high enough amount to actually make the fight.

Bud could end up getting stripped or vacating, because no way he fights for 1 or 2 million, or whatever amount someone is willing to bid, and its unlikely that another dummy is going to put up 10 million again......

[Griever0730]

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In that case, let’s use your very logic - Spence (or Boots) should fight Cody Crowley. He is 21-0 and is in the top 10 WW ranking. What do you think of that fight?
Let’s give it context, I had no idea who Crowley was until I googled ESPN ranking. It was the same with Avanesyan and Rocha.

This and of course, fighting Brook and Khan compounds and boxing purist to knock on Crawford’s resume.

One more context, prior to the failed drug test, Connor Benn was in the top 10 WW, what would your reaction be if Spence fought him? Would it be the same reaction if it was Crawford who fought him? See where I’m getting at?

I see everything you're getting at and I understand what you mean. But you're missing the entire point of why this fight is being discussed. It's a mandatory fight. I commented based on the fact that Rocha is his mandatory at this time and it's being ordered. If it was by choice of the fighter, then the critics can come and put in their two cents. Rocha is a decent fighter and he's earned his shot, but he's not on Crawford's level IMO which is why the average person that doesn't get that it's a mandatory fight will be up in arms over this. There's plenty of other guys I would rather see Crawford fight(mainly Spence) other than Rocha just like almost everyone else. But this is what the organizations that be give us whether we like it or not. The reaction of the fanboys and the haters isn't gonna change that.

[Oregonian]

I see everything you're getting at and I understand what you mean. But you're missing the entire point of why this fight is being discussed. It's a mandatory fight. I commented based on the fact that Rocha is his mandatory at this time and it's being ordered. If it was by choice of the fighter, then the critics can come and put in their two cents. Rocha is a decent fighter and he's earned his shot, but he's not on Crawford's level IMO which is why the average person that doesn't get that it's a mandatory fight will be up in arms over this. There's plenty of other guys I would rather see Crawford fight(mainly Spence) other than Rocha just like almost everyone else. But this is what the organizations that be give us whether we like it or not. The reaction of the fanboys and the haters isn't gonna change that.

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Thats a fair post. It still begs one thing - Boots is an interim title holder (don’t get me started on the “interim” BS), why can’t Crawford go after that?
Even if we were to accept that it’s a mandatory, well, what about Avanesyan? What about Khan? What about Brook? What exactly had those guys accomplished to warrant a fight with the proverbial # 1 P4P king?

Let’s take it a step further, once Crawford easily beats Rocha and then decides to go after Crowley or Ugas, how would anyone defend that?

[BodyBagz]

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The Crawford loyalist believe it’s a great matchup. They say it’s a test for Rocha and it’s a great fight for Bud’s resume. Just to shut you down, they’ll throw in the usual Spence Whataboutism.

This garbage won't even have decent press conference insults.
He might as well have given Porter a rematch.
His fans loved that fight.

He will be 50 by the time he's forced to fight a real opponent.

[Oregonian]

This garbage won't even have decent press conference insults.
He might as well have given Porter a rematch.
His fans loved that fight.

He will be 50 by the time he's forced to fight a real opponent.

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Measured over time, Mosley and Cotto have way better resumes than Crawford YET they never were sitting atop the P4P ranking not were they fighting journeymen whilst strapped of a belt or two.

[BodyBagz]

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Measured over time, Mosley and Cotto have way better resumes than Crawford YET they never were sitting atop the P4P ranking not were they fighting journeymen whilst strapped of a belt or two.

On what grounds does he have fan(s) ?!?!?
There can't be that many DKSAB'ers to even register a hiccup on the DKSABometer.

For once I sided with Arum.
Let the Nebraskan Nobody go.
No way in Hell was he ever going to make money of off Dud.
Dud could never fill Larry The Cable Guy's cornhuskers.

[Griever0730]

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Thats a fair post. It still begs one thing - Boots is an interim title holder (don’t get me started on the “interim” BS), why can’t Crawford go after that?
Even if we were to accept that it’s a mandatory, well, what about Avanesyan? What about Khan? What about Brook? What exactly had those guys accomplished to warrant a fight with the proverbial # 1 P4P king?

Let’s take it a step further, once Crawford easily beats Rocha and then decides to go after Crowley or Ugas, how would anyone defend that?

Boxing is a business first and Crawford got paid big bread to fight those guys you named. Why would a title-holder go after an interim titleholder with no name value and is basically unknown outside of the hardcores? Just bc the fans wanna see it? It makes no business sense for him. Ennis, while ultra-talented, has no real name value. Khan and Brook brought name value and money bc of their fan bases. Avanesyan was just BLK Prime not knowing what they were doing(which is why they're pretty much done before they even got started) and Crawford finessed them outta big bread. A P4P fighter IMO is a guy that takes good(not great) fighters and makes them look average/below average. Crawford has faced a lot of good fighters and made them look average. That's why he gets the criticism he gets just like every other P4P fighter whether it's Canelo, Spence, Inoue, etc. People are gonna criticize and downplay their competition and move the goal post higher bc that's how great they are. If Crawford wasn't that great, he wouldn't get the criticism he gets. It's all about the business and money at the end of the day.

[BodyBagz]

Boxing is a business first and Crawford got paid big bread to fight those guys you named. Why would a title-holder go after an interim titleholder with no name value and is basically unknown outside of the hardcores? Just bc the fans wanna see it? It makes no business sense for him. Ennis, while ultra-talented, has no real name value. Khan and Brook brought name value and money bc of their fan bases. Avanesyan was just BLK Prime not knowing what they were doing(which is why they're pretty much done before they even got started) and Crawford finessed them outta big bread. A P4P fighter IMO is a guy that takes good(not great) fighters and makes them look average/below average. Crawford has faced a lot of good fighters and made them look average. That's why he gets the criticism he gets just like every other P4P fighter whether it's Canelo, Spence, Inoue, etc. People are gonna criticize and downplay their competition and move the goal post higher bc that's how great they are. If Crawford wasn't that great, he wouldn't get the criticism he gets. It's all about the business and money at the end of the day.

Sry but fight fans don't have to push a fighter with a terrible resume.
Honest fight fans know a shltty resume when we smell one.
Dud's resume is stank AF.