Comments Thread For: Wladimir Klitschko Continues To Lash Out at IOC For Allowing Russian Athletes at 2024 Olympics

[The D3vil]

Nobody knows which athletes were against the Iraq war because Fox news decimated anyone against the war, labeling them traitors. One thing I do know is that you were sure as hell all for the Iraq war because Fox news told you so, just like they are telling you what to think today. Don't lie, it's true.

You know the one thing that is irrefutable? Fox's lack of integrity, they will never take responsibility for the damage they've done to the US and continue to do.

Don't just put it on Fox News.

CNN, The New York Times, MSNBC even fired Phil Donahue for being against the Iraq War

Hillary Clinton, Joe *****, & all the corporate ********s supported the war just as much.

The entire ********ic party outside a few people support every conflict the US chooses to involve itself with.

Y'all can't weasel y'all way out of this

Both parties are warmongering *******s

Vladimir Klitschko is a clown, who should just be happy the whole world is helping them wage war instead of just letting ***** steamroll them into oblivion

[letsgochump]

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A “pathological liar” you say? We were given a whole speech by Rumsfeld, Powel, Rice, Bush Jr and the rest about WMD. That tuned out to be lies.
We also knew none of the hijackers were from Iraq and instead of invading Saudi Arabia, we invaded Iraq.
Iraq NEVER belonged to the US. Ukraine belonged to Russia at one time and NATO’s been building a presence across the border from Russia so ***** is doing what the US does best.
***** felt threatened JUST LIKE WE DO
***** invaded a sovereign state JUST LIKE WE DO
***** lies JUST LIKE WE DO

If you are going to ignore my first paragraph about our lies and go straight to try to counter what I said next, I’ll just time you out.

More important, one the greater minds of our time Noam Chomsky disagrees with you and has spoken countless of times about how NATO (led by the US of course) has lied and their presence on the Russian border.

So are you saying that since US politicians lie that means that ***** isn't a pathological liar? How does anything you contradict the fact that ***** is a pathological liar? He is. He lies literally all the time, they are changing history and banning research and throwing researchers to jail when they report findings instead of saying whatever is supporting the narrative of lies. Whatever the ********ic politicians do, ***** does infinitely more and worse. Russia is a kleptocracy. In US there was always protesting against the war and always debate. It was allowed. With Russia it is illegal to criticise the government (among many other things). You only have freedom to do what the government tells you.

The war in Iraq was not based on the highjackers. It was intelligence on Iraq manufacturing chemical weapons and nuclear weapons and giving them to Al-Qaida. You have to understand that America had just been devastated by an unforeseen ********* attack. The war was wrong and based on poor information but it's easy to see that after the fact. Ukraine is completely different - Nobody has threatened Russia or attacked Russia. No country in Europe wants war with Russia or in general war within Europe.

NATO is building a presence since the countries next to Russia are joining NATO and the reason they are joining is because they are afraid of Russia and as you can see, for a reason. With this attack Russia has pulled NATO even closer with Finland and Sweden completing the alliance on their borders. It matters not if Ukraine was at some point part of Russia, they are an independent country that can form alliances with whoever they desire.

***** felt threatened as he has ****d and pillaged his own people for the benefit of the elite so much that an uprising is on the horizon. He needs something (an imagined external threat of gay pride ****s in Ukraine lol) that he hopes unites people behind him out of fear. And it works. It's the choice between obvious lies and staying safe or being critical and going to jail/getting killed by the government. Most Russians choose the easy way and go with the flow. Like their athletes. The Russian people could end the war if they wanted to. But they don't and this is why I agree with Wlad.

Can you specify what Chomsky said so I can comment on that?

[letsgochump]

Because Iraq was no mistake. There was lies and propaganda to start the war, that's not some mistake it's completely intentional.

Also Russia won't be driven out that is also propaganda

Based on what though? They did have information about chemical and nuclear weapons plans in Iraq and Saddam was a proven aggressor.

I meant it was a mistake looking back as there was no nuclear program and minimal chemical weapons. But we don't know what kind of a place Iraq would be in 2023 if it wasn't destroyed by war.

How is a prediction propaganda? Is everything propaganda that you don't agree with?

[robdob]

How does banning athletes who have absolutely nothing to do with it help anything and why is it suddenly an issue now when it never was with any other country? We didn't talk about banning athletes from the most corrupt country in the world (Ukraine) when they were murdering thousands of people just because they spoke Russian. We didnt ban athletes from every Nato country when they bombed Libya from a country with one of the highest standards of living on earth and one of the most loved leaders any country has ever had into a 3rd world hell over pure lies and propaganda. Sure ***** is corrupt and lies and has people murdered, just like every US president and most world leaders do and anyone who thinks otherwise is so naive they might as well not even comment on the topic. Russia has far more reason to be fighting Ukraine than the US did Iraq or Libya and that's easy to verify by any thinking person.

[Oregonian]

So are you saying that since US politicians lie that means that ***** isn't a pathological liar? How does anything you contradict the fact that ***** is a pathological liar? He is. He lies literally all the time, they are changing history and banning research and throwing researchers to jail when they report findings instead of saying whatever is supporting the narrative of lies. Whatever the ********ic politicians do, ***** does infinitely more and worse. Russia is a kleptocracy. In US there was always protesting against the war and always debate. It was allowed. With Russia it is illegal to criticise the government (among many other things). You only have freedom to do what the government tells you.

The war in Iraq was not based on the highjackers. It was intelligence on Iraq manufacturing chemical weapons and nuclear weapons and giving them to Al-Qaida. You have to understand that America had just been devastated by an unforeseen ********* attack. The war was wrong and based on poor information but it's easy to see that after the fact. Ukraine is completely different - Nobody has threatened Russia or attacked Russia. No country in Europe wants war with Russia or in general war within Europe.

NATO is building a presence since the countries next to Russia are joining NATO and the reason they are joining is because they are afraid of Russia and as you can see, for a reason. With this attack Russia has pulled NATO even closer with Finland and Sweden completing the alliance on their borders. It matters not if Ukraine was at some point part of Russia, they are an independent country that can form alliances with whoever they desire.

***** felt threatened as he has ****d and pillaged his own people for the benefit of the elite so much that an uprising is on the horizon. He needs something (an imagined external threat of gay pride ****s in Ukraine lol) that he hopes unites people behind him out of fear. And it works. It's the choice between obvious lies and staying safe or being critical and going to jail/getting killed by the government. Most Russians choose the easy way and go with the flow. Like their athletes. The Russian people could end the war if they wanted to. But they don't and this is why I agree with Wlad.

Can you specify what Chomsky said so I can comment on that?

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Why are you so angry about ***** but keep justifying everything the US does? Were you this vocal about the lies US politicians peddled?

Everything you wrote about Russia and it’s citizen means diddly squat. Are you that vocal about Saudi or Bahraini or Kuwaiti citizens who are oppressed by their governments who happen to be out very close allies? Saudi Arabia has invaded Yemen and is supported and armed by the US. Do you not have an opinion about that?

Nobody has threatened Russia? Seriously. Take a listen to what Chomsky says about the PROVOKED attack on Ukraine.

If you are going to argue against Chomsky, it can only mean you think you know more than him AND I can assure you, you don’t.

https://********/VFmd8Azf0D0

[letsgochump]

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Why are you so angry about ***** but keep justifying everything the US does? Were you this vocal about the lies US politicians peddled?

Everything you wrote about Russia and it’s citizen means diddly squat. Are you that vocal about Saudi or Bahraini or Kuwaiti citizens who are oppressed by their governments who happen to be out very close allies? Saudi Arabia has invaded Yemen and is supported and armed by the US. Do you not have an opinion about that?

Nobody has threatened Russia? Seriously. Take a listen to what Chomsky says about the PROVOKED attack on Ukraine.

If you are going to argue against Chomsky, it can only mean you think you know more than him AND I can assure you, you don’t.

https://********/VFmd8Azf0D0

I'm not angry. I feel no emotion when I call ***** a liar. Just like I feel nothing when calling Hitler a monster. These are conclusions based on their actions.

Yeah I think Bahrain, Saudi-Arabia and Kuwait are terrible countries and the list doesn't end there. And for the same reasons I dislike Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Indonesia etc countries run by oppressive and violent zealots or corrupt dictators. Russia is one of these countries. I don't understand why people these days have to be so black & white. Like somehow I need to love USA if I judge the attack on Ukraine. This is a complete straw man argument.

Now, I agree to a degree w Chomsky but this is taken out of context so I don't actually know what he said before and after. There has been major tension building since ***** became president. The su****ion toward ***** has been shown to be justified. It's dishonest to call any conflict in the world unprovoked save for very few examples (Italy vs Abyssinia in the 30's comes to mind quickly). Chomsky however made a great point - provoked does not mean justified. Nothing that the West or Ukraine may have done is reason for war.

And you know this because the Russian reasoning for the war is made up lies. This war is Russia testing if they can get away with the aggression. They calculated wrong when assuming they can take Kiev and the government in a matter of weeks and now they are paying the price in young men's lives. Russian people are getting killed, Ukrainian children are getting killed for one man's vanity. And the problem is that the people are standing by this absolute horror hoping that it doesn't concern them too much. Every Russian has the moral obligation to be against the war and everyone who doesn't imo is taking action to support the killing of innocent people.

[Oregonian]

I'm not angry. I feel no emotion when I call ***** a liar. Just like I feel nothing when calling Hitler a monster. These are conclusions based on their actions.

Yeah I think Bahrain, Saudi-Arabia and Kuwait are terrible countries and the list doesn't end there. And for the same reasons I dislike Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Indonesia etc countries run by oppressive and violent zealots or corrupt dictators. Russia is one of these countries. I don't understand why people these days have to be so black & white. Like somehow I need to love USA if I judge the attack on Ukraine. This is a complete straw man argument.

Now, I agree to a degree w Chomsky but this is taken out of context so I don't actually know what he said before and after. There has been major tension building since ***** became president. The su****ion toward ***** has been shown to be justified. It's dishonest to call any conflict in the world unprovoked save for very few examples (Italy vs Abyssinia in the 30's comes to mind quickly). Chomsky however made a great point - provoked does not mean justified. Nothing that the West or Ukraine may have done is reason for war.

And you know this because the Russian reasoning for the war is made up lies. This war is Russia testing if they can get away with the aggression. They calculated wrong when assuming they can take Kiev and the government in a matter of weeks and now they are paying the price in young men's lives. Russian people are getting killed, Ukrainian children are getting killed for one man's vanity. And the problem is that the people are standing by this absolute horror hoping that it doesn't concern them too much. Every Russian has the moral obligation to be against the war and everyone who doesn't imo is taking action to support the killing of innocent people.

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This statement, “Like somehow I need to love USA if I judge the attack on Ukraine”. Nobody is asking or suggesting that. Quite the opposite.
If you are going to call out Russia’s invasion of Ukraine then you MUST call out the US invasion of over two dozen countries in the last 40 years. There can never be justification for the US attacking or imposing sanctions on any nation. Or assassinating other leaders. Period.

This idea that you are pushing that it was for the good of democracy or “helping” other nations is just silly. We are bullies. Period.
As for democracy, democracy is a joke. It doesn’t even work in the US and you expect it to work in nations that are still considered third world countries.
***** is no different from the corporations that lie, steal, plunder and kill Americans everyday. We call ***** a mobster for that but we call the mega corporations that literally write laws in the US, capitalists.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallp...write-the-bill

https://www.usatoday.com/pages/inter...ce-state-laws/

I’m not going to argue about Chomsky. I sent you a three minute clip. There is a longer version that you can find yourself that literally disagrees with you.

[letsgochump]

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This statement, “Like somehow I need to love USA if I judge the attack on Ukraine”. Nobody is asking or suggesting that. Quite the opposite.
If you are going to call out Russia’s invasion of Ukraine then you MUST call out the US invasion of over two dozen countries in the last 40 years. There can never be justification for the US attacking or imposing sanctions on any nation. Or assassinating other leaders. Period.

This idea that you are pushing that it was for the good of democracy or “helping” other nations is just silly. We are bullies. Period.
As for democracy, democracy is a joke. It doesn’t even work in the US and you expect it to work in nations that are still considered third world countries.
***** is no different from the corporations that lie, steal, plunder and kill Americans everyday. We call ***** a mobster for that but we call the mega corporations that literally write laws in the US, capitalists.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallp...write-the-bill

https://www.usatoday.com/pages/inter...ce-state-laws/

I’m not going to argue about Chomsky. I sent you a three minute clip. There is a longer version that you can find yourself that literally disagrees with you.

So how far do I need to keep going in this calling out of all wars? Why only 40 years, that's too recent perhaps. Maybe the Hellenic attack on Troy old enough or should we keep going? This is just silly. This idea that if I am against one thing then I also need to be against other things xyz. Newsflash - I don't. I judge the events case by case, not equating things based on a number of similarities. That's a very color blind way of looking at things.

And this is a threat about what Wlad is saying. I dunno what Vietnam war has to do with this but yet you guys wanna whatabout everything irrelevant just like ***** wants you to. The Ukrainian war is happening now and things should be done about it now.

Corporations are not evil or good. There are responsible ones and horrible ones. There are horrible politicians and decent ones. There are bad people and decent people and everything in between. Saddam and ***** are/were horrible people abusing all the power they had.

If democracy is a joke then what would you prefer? FYI all the best countries by any standard are democracies and capitalist countries. Highest quality of life, lowest crime etc. What is the better way that you know of?

And do you think the world gets better on its own? Nobody gives a damn and yet somehow we keep the trend of lessening violence, lessening child mortality, finding cures to deadly disease etc? If not then why is it silly to think Western democracies with objectively the best quality of life help the ones with more issues and problems?

[Zaroku]

Synagogue of satan trying to steal more land like they did in *********.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/f1Ll6yw172sg/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IKThcTt8_M

I’m ***ish and I don’t follow cults

If I lay down my life for another

Good



I an not rich and I’ve volunteered many times

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[Marchegiano]

I thought Russia was already banned because of the state sponsored roiding they do.