Comments Thread For: Wladimir Klitschko Protests Inclusion of Russian Athletes at 2024 Olympics

[letsgochump]

1. It's literally the 1st result in google...


2. Discussing Sports personalities opinions being relevant to the average sports viewer =/= The geopolitical conversation that we're having..

How you're conflating the two i'll never know, hence why I said you're stripping context to fit a narrative.

3. Don't need to be psychic, history shows us...

4. Let's not pretend America doesn't essentially bully other countries in the west into doing their bidding since WW2 and effectively seizing control due to debt, hence my aversion to what's happening right now with the Ukraine and this time it won't be a country it could potentially be a singular private citizen...

5. Who was justifying anything, I'm simply pointing out reasons, you're making assumptions about it being a justification...

6. I don't agree with anything you've said, particularly when it comes to Nuland and McCain, Christ you're beyond the pale if you think I'd ever agree with you regarding their involvement with the Ukrainian uprising and it's eventual outcome...

I'm not apathetic, indifferent or influenced by trolls what you're failing to understand is i'm arguing for both the rights and privacy of the average Ukrainians which have been slowly eroded slowly over time by things such as Дія whist also being accelerated by this war as their "president" invites more "help" in whilst stripping works rights, privatizing state owned enterprises so on and so forth...

Not only that I'm also seeing things from the Russian side which feels it's being cornered by NATO and it's allies and feel it's left with no other recourse as it's seen what happens to others who're deemed "enemies" or "threats"...

Seeing the other side of things doesn't mean you agree with the aforementioned side, I didn't feel that needed to be explained but apparently it does for some reason.

You're not weaseling out of this one.

2. What context am I stripping? I already gave you all the context. Read carefully:

I said this "There is no point in arguing with tinfoils. They don't argue based on facts or proof but beliefs. And you cannot prove beliefs wrong. It's a complete waste of time as frustrating it is to see people be smug about repeating obvious and weak ruski propaganda. It's just so sad that in this day and age when you have infinite amounts of information available to you so many people are wilfully and proudly ignorant and yet they act as if ignorance should valued as high as knowledge and wisdom.

They pick whatever information supporting their view, cut comments out of context and then formulate a pseudo evidential picture that is nothing but a silly oversimplification.

It is so sad that people are like "Ha! this politician is corrupt so I ain't buying their lies!! Lemme go buy *****'s lies instead because he is saying the opposite so it has to be true!"

Somehow I though anyone living in the west would be smart enough to see through obvious lies from Russia but no. I thought ppl like Chinese, North Koreans and Russians were just used to being lied to and controlled but apparently even people living in the free world want to buy lies coming from a totalitarian tyrant.

And attack a man who has shown heart in the sport they love plus he has stayed and defended his country from an aggressor for a year. Wlad is a champ in the ring and outside of it too. And these people attack him while defending a mass murdering tyrant bcs "sports should not be mixed with politics" which is laughable. What do these people think sports are if not politics lol. You can't separate the two no matter what."

That was my first and only comment. There is no other context. To which you replied:

"And lastly what an asinine statement regarding sports and politics, most people couldn't give a fúck about your political leaning or views in sports, it's a means of escape for most people it's the last place anyone wants to hear about that shít E.G. NFL losing viewers to WOKE BS..."

So what exactly was asinine? Or what where you referring to if not my point about how politics and sports cannot be separated? What other context is there according to you?



You legit said you don't care if all Ukrainians and Russians die. That's apathetic and indifferent. And your statements could be 1:1 from Russian troll accounts so yes you are. You just don't know it. Which of course is exactly what modern propaganda is supposed to do, go undetected.

[Boro]

You're not weaseling out of this one.

2. What context am I stripping? I already gave you all the context. Read carefully:

I said this "There is no point in arguing with tinfoils. They don't argue based on facts or proof but beliefs. And you cannot prove beliefs wrong. It's a complete waste of time as frustrating it is to see people be smug about repeating obvious and weak ruski propaganda. It's just so sad that in this day and age when you have infinite amounts of information available to you so many people are wilfully and proudly ignorant and yet they act as if ignorance should valued as high as knowledge and wisdom.

They pick whatever information supporting their view, cut comments out of context and then formulate a pseudo evidential picture that is nothing but a silly oversimplification.

It is so sad that people are like "Ha! this politician is corrupt so I ain't buying their lies!! Lemme go buy *****'s lies instead because he is saying the opposite so it has to be true!"

Somehow I though anyone living in the west would be smart enough to see through obvious lies from Russia but no. I thought ppl like Chinese, North Koreans and Russians were just used to being lied to and controlled but apparently even people living in the free world want to buy lies coming from a totalitarian tyrant.

And attack a man who has shown heart in the sport they love plus he has stayed and defended his country from an aggressor for a year. Wlad is a champ in the ring and outside of it too. And these people attack him while defending a mass murdering tyrant bcs "sports should not be mixed with politics" which is laughable. What do these people think sports are if not politics lol. You can't separate the two no matter what."

That was my first and only comment. There is no other context. To which you replied:

"And lastly what an asinine statement regarding sports and politics, most people couldn't give a fúck about your political leaning or views in sports, it's a means of escape for most people it's the last place anyone wants to hear about that shít E.G. NFL losing viewers to WOKE BS..."

So what exactly was asinine? Or what where you referring to if not my point about how politics and sports cannot be separated? What other context is there according to you?



You legit said you don't care if all Ukrainians and Russians die. That's apathetic and indifferent. And your statements could be 1:1 from Russian troll accounts so yes you are. You just don't know it. Which of course is exactly what modern propaganda is supposed to do, go undetected.

In the context we were speaking about it, it is asinine Synonym = vacuous...

As Wlad is just another sports personality spouting off at the mouth with his useless opinion, shame he didn't have any opinions when it come to other countries and their atrocities and how they "shouldn't be competing in the sport" the rest of what you just said is tripe.

As I've pointed out multiple times now you've got access to the very same unlimited information but as you've proven, you're extremely focused on echo chambers and MSM narratives so it's not only a reductive argument but completely hypocritical on your part.

I wouldn't shed a tear if my home country was wiped out, why would I care for another mans country... I'm not going to pretend IGAF about anyone other than my immediate family.

[letsgochump]

In the context we were speaking about it, it is asinine Synonym = vacuous...

As Wlad is just another sports personality spouting off at the mouth with his useless opinion, shame he didn't have any opinions when it come to other countries and their atrocities and how they "shouldn't be competing in the sport" the rest of what you just said is tripe.

As I've pointed out multiple times now you've got access to the very same unlimited information but as you've proven, you're extremely focused on echo chambers and MSM narratives so it's not only a reductive argument but completely hypocritical on your part.

I wouldn't shed a tear if my home country was wiped out, why would I care for another mans country... I'm not going to pretend IGAF about anyone other than my immediate family.

There was no other context. I said you can't separate sports and politics, you called it asinine and now vacuous. So what is vacuous about the statement I made? Give me the quote about sports I made that is. Stop being slimy and answer this very easy question.

Yea so you admit to being apathetic and indifferent. Great. Good boy.

I have the unlimited information and I don't cherry pick to form a twisted and filtered narrative that fits the Russian propaganda so I'm focused on echo chambers You're just something else. Why am I here trying to get you to make a clear and comprehensible argument instead or moving the goal posts endlessly and spewing illogical nonsense about the globalists etc. No. You have no argument. None. You have no evidence. No logic. Just insults and lies.

[Marchegiano]

Pretty sure Wlad can kick *****'s ass, so he's right.

[Boro]

There was no other context. I said you can't separate sports and politics, you called it asinine and now vacuous. So what is vacuous about the statement I made? Give me the quote about sports I made that is. Stop being slimy and answer this very easy question.

Yea so you admit to being apathetic and indifferent. Great. Good boy.

I have the unlimited information and I don't cherry pick to form a twisted and filtered narrative that fits the Russian propaganda so I'm focused on echo chambers You're just something else. Why am I here trying to get you to make a clear and comprehensible argument instead or moving the goal posts endlessly and spewing illogical nonsense about the globalists etc. No. You have no argument. None. You have no evidence. No logic. Just insults and lies.

what's asinine about the statement? it's a redundant statement to make in so far as it's obvious politics and sports can't be separated in any "real" sense, so your statement was about as useful as a third nipple...

But as I pointed out most/all people couldn't give a flying fúck about sports personalities opinions about anything, particularly as it relates to politics.

so just to reiterate the point - it was a redundant, beyond pointless statement that need not be made by you.

No I don't admit to being apathetic and indifferent, you idiotic and patronising child I'm apathetic and indifferent to their situation understand the difference if you can manage that...

And it's beyond ironic you have the audacity to mention cherry picking information and twisting it to fit a narrative..

I've literally given you numerous videos,quotes, even the blackrock post you couldn't "find" which happens to be the first result on google and still it's a narrative that I've apparently woven even though it's their own words in the context of interviews, newsletters, press releases so on and so forth... make that make sense.

You've either flatly refused to accept what's being said, claimed it's propaganda. w/e other BS you want to spew or claimed it's out of context which is funnily enough what you've consistently done throughout this conversation...

And I've not once changed the goalposts once let alone endlessly and it's you who mentioned globalists not me BOY, my posts have been consistent throughout in fact i'm bored of repeating myself...

And lastly again with the irony of mentioning "insults and lies" - you started with the insults BOY - firstly calling me "tinfoil, implying i'm gay, trailer park hillbilly" all in your first response to me...

It's beyond laughable especially given everything I've said is readily available and given the "unlimited information" sources YOU MENTIONED... if you're willing to look beyond your echo chambers/narrow world view it shouldn't be hard to find even though i provided some things, i'm not here to hold your hand shockingly even your favourite source MSM outlets will have the previously mentioned points plastered out their newspapers, broadcasts, websites etc etc...

[letsgochump]

what's asinine about the statement? it's a redundant statement to make in so far as it's obvious politics and sports can't be separated in any "real" sense, so your statement was about as useful as a third nipple...

But as I pointed out most/all people couldn't give a flying fúck about sports personalities opinions about anything, particularly as it relates to politic.

so just to reiterate the point - it was a redundant, beyond pointless statement that need not be made by you.

No I don't admit to being apathetic and indifferent, you idiotic and patronising child I'm apathetic and indifferent to their situation understand the difference if you can manage that...

And it's beyond ironic you have the audacity to mention cherry picking information and twisting it to fit a narrative..

I've literally give you numerous videos,quotes, even the blackrock post you couldn't "find" which happens to be the first result on google and numerous others.

You've either flatly refused to accept what's being said, claimed it's propaganda. w/e other BS you want to spew or claimed it's out of context which is funnily enough what you've consistently done throughout this conversation...

And I've not once changed the goalposts once let alone endlessly and it's you who mentioned globalists not me BOY, my posts have been consistent throughout in fact i'm bored of repeating myself...

And lastly again with the irony of mentioning "insults and lies" - you started with the insults BOY - firstly calling me "tinfoil, implying i'm gay, trailer park hillbilly" all in your first response to me...

It's beyond laughable especially given everything I've said is readily available and given the "unlimited information" sources... if you're willing to look beyond your echo chamber/narrow world view even your favourite source MSM it shouldn't be hard to find even though i provided some things, i'm not here to hold your hand...

So you admit that I was right. Sports and politics cannot be separated. A true statement was asinine. A statement that was a reply to eariler comments why Russians should be allowed, but as you highlight, the reasoning was obviously ****** and false. However it was made and therefore I pointed out the ******ity of it.

I was here asking you to put forth your best arguments and yet you failed to put forth anything besides stuff that in no way support your argument. I could make your argument better for you with better sources lol. You just take things out of context and make bold claims that you never specify and back up. In any way. I asked for the best evidence for a view that goes against my own. This is not echo chamber behaviour. Your points just are terrible and you don't have even a rudimentary idea of how to formulate an argument.

The reason i asked for your source because your quote had one word written differently so I wanted to know where you pulled it from and therefore what you think is reliable sources as you trash MSM so hard. I was just curious if you like most tinfoils think some low iq incel in his grandma's basement is where the truth can be found. But sure. The blackrock homepage says they are advising Ukraine, so big deal. There are quite a few companies, individuals and countries helping Ukraine if you haven't noticed.

True, you were saying "they" as in they knew ***** would attack Russia. I called it a globalist WEF NWO narrative and you said it's not a narrative. So you admitted it was about the globalists. The typical tinfoil behaviour is ofc to avoid committing to anything at all and just keep being vague and usually also resort to insults as soon as you're asked to be clear and provide evidence.

You said you don't give a damn about anyone besides your family. So yes you did admit you're apathetic. Not caring about anyone else is literally apathy. It's like saying you hate black people but deny that you're racist. You're tryna eat the cake and keep it too which is not how logic works, unfortunately for you.

You opened your comment with me by calling me a tard. So yes. That's all you got.

Tinfoil is not an insult. It is a description of people like you. It’s like a conspiracy theorist but even more clueless. I never suggested you’re gay and even if so gay is not an insult either.

I haven't even picked any evidence here so you can't accuse me of cherry picking. Not accepting your exceptionally poorly formulated and illogical argument is not cherry picking. It's just called being sensible. You, of course, don't know the meaning of that word.

So what basically everyone with a brain thinks happened is that Russia lost control over Ukraine that wanted to join the free world. As a result Russia started the Crimea conflict to test waters such as how Europe will react etc. As the reaction was mild Russia decided to attack Ukraine assuming it was going to be a quick win so they can build another obedient dog a country like Belarus.

But this is beyond ****** according to you because the real thing was companies and politicians coming together so that they can provoke Russia to attack so they can then build social credit scores, AI courts and steal workers rights etc in Ukraine. Lmao. Just think that through and let yourself feel as ****** as it sounds.

Look into the psychology of conspiracy theories. They are nothing but a way for an ordinary guy like you with nothing special going on in his life to feel extraordinary. You think you're so much smarter than other people but actually you're just blindly buying the Russian version of events while believing that you're some exceptional free thinker. It's just beyond sad and fyi I've had this exact same convo with countless tinfoils such as yourself and it always goes the same way - nothing on the table to back up their claims while calling everyone else all kinds of names for not agreeing with them anyway. So you followed the script beginning to end and cong**** for that.

Now you can go be wrong somewhere else.

[Boro]

Now you can go be wrong somewhere else.

Yes a true statement can be asinine you simpleton, it's not difficult to comprehend as I pointed the synonym is vacuous if you understand the meaning you wouldn't be struggling to grasp the concept but as I've pointed out you're clearly lacking in mental capacity.

I've made of plenty of claims with back up - linking god government websites, videos and quotes your inability to fully grasp or look into the aforementioned links isn't on me as I said in the above quote I aren't holding your hand.

As I said I took NOTHING OUT OF CONTEXT you imbecile, I literally took them from the source as they were at the time... if that's taking things out of context you might want to reconsider what out of context means.

Yes "they" as you put it knew ***** would retaliate to their provocations and actions he'd be saying so for years, again you're so ****** you're for some struggling to grasp this...
it's not like "they" as you put it is some "boogeyman" I've said numerous time it's NATO and EU...

Yes my opening comment to you was to call you a retárd when you underhandedly called me a a paranoid person, of the sort who believes in conspiracy theories,who can't understand rational thinking aka "tinfoil", when everything I had said had been on local/international news at that point there was no "theories".

And yes you did imply I was gay with your "You may as well be under *****’s desk sucking him off while he lies with a straight face." " you think ***** is attractive, I don't. End of." so on and so forth...

I didn't say I was insulted by your pathetic attempts at insulting me, I just said you started the insults again I wish you'd have a better understand of language my friend conversation would go a bit better...

Where did I imply companies and politicians worked together to get Russia to attack Ukraine I said America had been actively involved in the overthrowing of the government in the "Revolution of Dignity" and it resulted in the war we have now.

Blackrock and such entíties looking to forward to profiteering off said war whilst the Ukraine government has been actively stripping away rights with the help of the UK government primarily correlation does not imply causation, though it's a strange coincidence that companies like Blackrock, JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs and so on have been involved with all the big global events in one way or another...

I don't even know what the "russian version of events" are, I know what i've seen on BBC, MSNBC Fox The Sun, The guardian, IMF, WEF and so on because I actually read these sites and observe the differences in their outlooks...

[GrandpaBernard]

These two guys giving each other essay responses

[Boro]

These two guys giving each other essay responses

Responding and addressing someones points in a debate of sorts doesn't equate to your "luvbed" homó****** shít, sugary MFER...

And taking all of a minute or two to type a response equates to an essay!? Wow the elderly really aren't wrong when they say this generation is rétarded and have the attention span of a goldfish...

[GrandpaBernard]

Responding and addressing someones points in a debate of sorts doesn't equate to your "luvbed" homó****** shít, sugary MFER...

And taking all of a minute or two to type a response equates to an essay!? Wow the elderly really aren't wrong when they say this generation is rétarded and have the attention span of a goldfish...

when does Russia finish Ukraine

at the rate things are going Romania might release Andrew Tate before Russia finishes Ukraine

Russia achieves its original goal if it destroys the Ukrainian military and reincorporates the Donbass

but I believe Russia has become more ambitious since then

Take all of the Ukrainian coastline and make a connection between Odessa & Transnistria