MAYWEATHER dominates Pacquiao sales. Again. And again. And again.

[Al Haymon]

econometric experience?!! haha bringing out the fancy words now are we??
Anyway I agree, A/B vs C/D isn't really valid, fair point, thats why I brought up the Hatton comparison, but remember you also compared these:

Mayweather vs Baldomir / Pacquiao vs Diaz
Mayweather vs Judah / Pacquiao vs Barrera

If you're so good at marketing bull**** then tell me how much the recession effected sales for Pac/Hatton?? 125k worth at least.

If youre goina talk about variables then how can you compare the Marquez fights?

I'll say again, I think Pacs popularity has sored recently since coming up in weight and giving the fans some exciting fights, somethin Mayweather can't do. So we're only goina see his true sales potential in his next few fights.

And besides, if you're saying its not a fair comparison between this years fights, then you're accepting the Pac/Cotto is a bigger fight than Mayweather/Marquez.

If you notice, i put the Baldomir and Diaz fights in "other opponents'. So that is really supplementary - not main - information.

The only way to measure what the fans want, is to measure where the fans spend their money. That is an irrefutable truth about the marketplace. When your product is in demand, it has a value. You don't tell the market what it wants. They tell YOU.

You may feel that Pacquiao is Common or Talib Kweli. True artists whose work you really enjoy. But Floyd is Jay-Z. He sells an a$$load. Maybe not the best...but still pretty darn good.

You may think that Coldplay is garbage, but you can't knock their hustle.

[them_apples]

Pay Per View Sales:


Vs Delahoya
Mayweather: 2.4 million
Pacquiao: 1.2 million

Vs. Marquez
Mayweather: 1.0 million
Pacquiao: 400K

Vs Hatton
Mayweather: 950K
Pacquiao: 825K

Total:
Mayweather: 4,35 million
Pacquiao: 2.43 million

Other Opponents

Mayweather vs Baldomir: 325K
Pacquiao vs Diaz: 175K

Mayweather vs Judah: 390K
Pacquiao vs Barrera: 350K

Box Office Sales:

Vs Delahoya
Mayweather: 17,078 attendance; $18.4 million revenue (the record)
Pacquiao: 14,468 attendance; $14.4 million revenue

Vs. Marquez:
Mayweather: 13,116 attendance
Pacquiao: 11,061 attendance

Vs Hatton:
Mayweather: 15,488 attendance; $10.4 million revenue
Pacquiao: 15,368 attendance, $8.8 million revenue


Mayweather sells more against common opponents.
Mayweather sells more against no-names (Baldomir/Diaz).

Mayweather….sells more.

Congratulations to Floyd for bringing the fans back to boxing...great for THE SPORT.

the last fight shows Pacquiao closing the gap. After annihilating Hatton he will be an even bigger draw. you are using Pacquiaos numbers back when he wasn't a household name.

[MIP4P1]

Mayweather is the p4p and ppv king!

Truly, the face of boxing.

[Al Haymon]

the last fight shows Pacquiao closing the gap. After annihilating Hatton he will be an even bigger draw. you are using Pacquiaos numbers back when he wasn't a household name.

Were either Floyd OR Pac household names prior to the Delahoya fight?

The Cotto fight is , essentially, a referendum on Pac's ability to sell to the mainstreeam. Everything is set up for him. He has had fights with two of the biggest names in the sport (Delahoya & Hatton). He put up a highlight reel KO of Hatton. His name was mentioned incessantly throughout the "numero Uno" promotion. He has an opponent who is both known, and will bring the heat for an exciting fight. This fight is perceived to be important as a preamble to a Mayweather giga-bout. They have a 24/7. All the pieces are in place for Pac to set cable boxes on fire.

The table is set. In MY mind, the floor for this fight needs to be in the range of 1.1 to 1.3 million buys. After all, Floyd just sold a million with a fighter who is less known, and less competitive than Cotto.

Both Pac's promoter and trainer denigrated the May/Marq fight. Surely, their bout should soundly beat "Numero uno" in both PPV and total revenues. Right?

If the numbers for Firepower are not released, you know the deal.

[mrlopez]

When you strip away everything else except the subject and objective, you are left with the quote above. That is the essence of what you are saying.

Whether people want to see Floyd win, lose, or spontaneously combust, they want to see Floyd.

You can argue that the Toyota Camry (or Ford Taurus) wasn't the best, fastest, prettiest, sexiest, cheapest car on the road. But at the end of the day, they sold the most. And their competitors were left playing catch-up and trying to pump out imitators. Classic B-school case study.

Look Bro,
you can do all these variables, all these replace names here with cars, etc...
yes, Floyds recent fights have done well in ppv sales. But you have to consider why....

Floyd doesnt bring a huge fan base, doesnt have a great promotional outfit, runs his mouth and disrespects people, and always acts like the bad guy.
Its his opponents who bring in the $. DLH, Hatton and JMM (only cause of Mex Ind day) are the ones who brought in the ppv and gate sales. Their fans were more than the majority at those fights, FMJ was fortunate enough to be their opponent. Between DLH/GBP and HBO really pushing this ppv, no wonder it did good #'s. FMJ didnt promote it, he let the others do it cause he knows he cant bring in peeps like that.

[Horus]

FACTS ARE KILLING THESE DUDES IN THIS THREAD !!

Mayweather fans should argue with FACTS only from now on..

[mrlopez]

Both Pac's promoter and trainer denigrated the May/Marq fight. Surely, their bout should soundly beat "Numero uno" in both PPV and total revenues. Right?

They sure did denigrate the fight, as most everyone did. Because it was a farce! Floyd didnt even try to make weight. Was too much of a coward to see what he weighed on fight night and couldnt even ko JMM like he was supposed too. He took no chances at all with a smaller, slower opponent.

Firepower is basically sold out months ahead of the date of the fight so its already doing better biz than numero uno did....

[Dirt McGirt]

If you notice, i put the Baldomir and Diaz fights in "other opponents'. So that is really supplementary - not main - information.

The only way to measure what the fans want, is to measure where the fans spend their money. That is an irrefutable truth about the marketplace. When your product is in demand, it has a value. You don't tell the market what it wants. They tell YOU.

You may feel that Pacquiao is Common or Talib Kweli. True artists whose work you really enjoy. But Floyd is Jay-Z. He sells an a$$load. Maybe not the best...but still pretty darn good.

You may think that Coldplay is garbage, but you can't knock their hustle.

Couldnt agree more, Floyd is by far the more consistant seller, he's a better business man, but Pacquiao is without doubt becoming more popular, the facts will show that soon enough. I'm simply pointing out that your making unfair comparisons to try and make Mayweather sound more popular whenever Pacquiao is only reaching his peak popularity now.

To be fair to Mayweather, his extremely negative style dosn't do him any favours so its remarkable what he's done to sell his fights so well. In contrast Pacquiao's offensive style is easy to sell, you know you're goina get your moneys worth. The difference is Pacquiao is not only more exciting, he's taking on bigger opponents, and in Cotto he's facing someone better than Floyd has ever fought. The only way Mayweather can keep up with Pacquiao is if he finally takes on a really big fight (hopefully Mosley), so hopefully we have some seriously good boxing to look forward to, then everybody is a winner.

[illmaticfighter]

i thought floyd didn't have any fans so why does him being american all of sudden come into play?

[mannyman]

Pay Per View Sales:


Vs Delahoya
Mayweather: 2.4 million
Pacquiao: 1.2 million

Vs. Marquez
Mayweather: 1.0 million
Pacquiao: 400K

Vs Hatton
Mayweather: 950K
Pacquiao: 825K

Total:
Mayweather: 4,35 million
Pacquiao: 2.43 million

Other Opponents

Mayweather vs Baldomir: 325K
Pacquiao vs Diaz: 175K

Mayweather vs Judah: 390K
Pacquiao vs Barrera: 350K

Box Office Sales:

Vs Delahoya
Mayweather: 17,078 attendance; $18.4 million revenue (the record)
Pacquiao: 14,468 attendance; $14.4 million revenue

Vs. Marquez:
Mayweather: 13,116 attendance
Pacquiao: 11,061 attendance

Vs Hatton:
Mayweather: 15,488 attendance; $10.4 million revenue
Pacquiao: 15,368 attendance, $8.8 million revenue


Mayweather sells more against common opponents.
Mayweather sells more against no-names (Baldomir/Diaz).

Mayweather….sells more.

Congratulations to Floyd for bringing the fans back to boxing...great for THE SPORT.

PBF's the undisputed PPV champ of the world but REAL fans know what matters.