Comments Thread For: Showtime Head on Crawford's 'Transparency' Demands: Absolutely Baffling; Got to Have Certain Level of Trust

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  • El_Feroz99
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    #21
    Originally posted by Oldskoolg

    You sure about that?
    Just sick of the saga here and I think both are to blame along with Al and Showtime. The whole division is just a boring log jam and I can't figure out why anyone cares?

    Crawford is absolutely delusional on his worth.

    Spence is treated/thinks like he has some hof resume and its actually, well I would say lackluster.

    The whole division can sink into the sea for all I care

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    • Curtis2
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      #22
      Espinoza fails to mention Spence’s unprofessional condition, October overweight and the fact he knew there wouldn’t be a Nov-Dec or early 2023 fight having a chance to get done due to Spence weighing around 185 LB’s… Spence people will talk all day with eyes shut-

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      • Jsmooth9876
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        #23
        Originally posted by champion4ever
        The bottom line is Top rank has spoiled Bud Duckford. They made him believe that he was worth more than he actually was by over paying him in order to keep him from signing with the PBC.

        Which was why he was so taken aback upon learning about the PBC’s new business model. They don’t do guarantees. Crawford never had to wait to receive his money from the back end through percentages before.

        He was always used to getting his money upfront. Which was why the negotiations were so mind blowing too him.
        Of course they do guarantees. Look no further than The Spence-Ugas fight where both guys were getting 1.5 Million and then a cut of PPV sales.
        Imagine not getting any upfront money in todays PPV climate. You'd have to be a dummy to accept that offer.

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        • Jsmooth9876
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          #24
          I don't know about you guys but I am done with this fight. I am ready to start the whole process over again with Boots and Ortiz now lol

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          • Bronx2245
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            #25
            Crawford is suffering from PTSD, from dealing with Bob Arum! It's understandable. Let him continue with BLK Prime, and let's move on with life! If Bud never wants to fight on Showtime, that's fine, let's get Spence vs. Boots, or Spence vs. Ortiz Jr.!

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              #26
              Originally posted by Bronx2245
              Crawford is suffering from PTSD, from dealing with Bob Arum! It's understandable. Let him continue with BLK Prime, and let's move on with life! If Bud never wants to fight on Showtime, that's fine, let's get Spence vs. Boots, or Spence vs. Ortiz Jr.!
              Funny thing is, if he were with Arum going into this negotiation, we'd be seeing the fight happen. TR built him up and payed him handsomely. It's not their fault none of the PBC guys wanted that work.

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              • tkoboxingscene
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                #27
                Originally posted by ThrowbackBoxing
                Anytime the entire team (including Showtime sports head) has to sway the people regarding a deal in which the man who publicly accepted 35% is somehow the hold up .. forget it, this is a common sense situation. A man who had minimal issue getting fights at 35 & 40 is now suddenly hard to make fights with at WW? Ok .. TC is being blackballed period.
                Bruh, what are you talking about? Who tf did he fight in those divisions? No Mikey garcia, Danny garcia, or anyone else worth mentioning.

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                • Bronx2245
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Jsmooth9876

                  Funny thing is, if he were with Arum going into this negotiation, we'd be seeing the fight happen. TR built him up and payed him handsomely. It's not their fault none of the PBC guys wanted that work.
                  First of all, you did get May vs. Pac, Fury vs. Wilder x 3, you got Crawford vs. Porter, and you're about to get Fulton vs. Inoue, so it's not about "none of the PBC guys," it's about Spence vs. Crawford! Arum said the fight wasn't big enough for what the fighters want. Crawford is suing Bob Arum, not Al Haymon! Crawford has issues because of his dealing with TR, so let him deal with BLK Prime, whch will give him 8 figures to fight Avanesyan, etc.! Spence is cool with his relationship with Al Haymon, and many others too, so let's move forward! If they can do Tank vs. Garcia, then they can do Spence vs. Ortiz Jr., however, let's get Spence vs. Boots first! F--k Bud Crawford!

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                  • El_Feroz99
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by tkoboxingscene

                    Bruh, what are you talking about? Who tf did he fight in those divisions? No Mikey garcia, Danny garcia, or anyone else worth mentioning.
                    I see what you are saying, but struggle to find either Garcia relevant at WW either tbh. I think Kell at the time they fought is easily Spence's best win.

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                    • SplitSecond
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                      #30
                      If he doesn’t approve he doesn’t approve. You deal with it like Pacquiao and Floyd dealt with it. I doubt Crawford wants the fight to not do as well as possible considering he makes all of his money from the revenue. Showtime is just a network. The deal and partnership was between Crawford and PBC and Espinoza proved there was nothing wrong with this demand.
                      Last edited by SplitSecond; 01-24-2023, 07:21 AM.

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