How big would Oscar have been in this social media era?

[djtmal]

Look at the Floyd boys crying because somebody feels Oscar would have been a bigger star in the social media era.

Oscar was packing em in when he was a fringe contender he didn't need help from anybody.

Floyd needed not only Oscar but the Money Mayweather gimmick.

Take away those two things and he's the greatest fighter nobody knew because the fights themselves always seemed to leave a bad taste in your mouth.

[IronDanHamza]

I’m not going off the numbers. I’m going off who had more star power. The fact Oscar retained such star power despite losing all of his biggest fights is a massive factor for me. I think one loss would have crippled Floyd’s star power personally.

Well star power and numbers are parallel with each other so surely the numbers are the indicator?

I again don't see the point there, yeah if Floyd lost it would cripple his star power.

If Oscar was in a fire and burnt his face that would have crippled his star power.

Neither happened so what's the relevance there?

[lopetego]

He'd be the biggest superstar in boxing if he was active in our time, like Canelo multiplied x10

Looks? - Check
Charisma? - Check
Boxing skills? - Check
Warrior attitude? (Oscar ducked NOBODY) - Check
Former amateur star who brought glory to his country? (with the PR bonus that implies) - Check
Exciting in the ring? - Check
Speaks english fluently? - Check
It's mexican-american (so he can tap to the biggest boxing audience in the US) ? - Check
It's from a ¨minority¨ (latino) so he can fill the media diversity quotas? - Check
Is gay, transexual or has been involved in some ***** stuff so the woke media and lgbqtszxzd can embrace him? - Check

Just look at that chump Ryan Garcia, he's already appearing in commercials despite not fighting anyone decentt, just because he fills a few of those check points above

Oscar would be larger than life

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Well star power and numbers are parallel with each other so surely the numbers are the indicator?

I again don't see the point there, yeah if Floyd lost it would cripple his star power.

If Oscar was in a fire and burnt his face that would have crippled his star power.

Neither happened so what's the relevance there?

Cause Oscar did lose. There’s no way Floyd could have survived the losses like Oscar did. I also think Oscar essentially made Floyd and Pac. Neither of those guys were doing mega numbers until they fought Oscar.

I’m not saying it’s definitive but that’s how I analyse star power, rather than just looking at the statistical data.

[djtmal]

Ali marketed himself as the greatest- that didnt change when he lost. His popularity didnt drop.

I doubt Floyd stops calling himself TBE should he have lost. I also dont see how a loss lowers the fan interest in any of his 5-7 biggest fights.

Well Ali was calling himself the greatest because he was beating prime Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Shavers, Spinks, Norton, the cream of the heavyweight crop in their prime, and the fights had you on the edge of your seat to boot.

Floyd calls himself the best ever after beating some c listers and some past prime name fighters its a vast difference.

Floyd became good at the fight buildup, but the fight itself was terrible just a guy running holding and no ko first time he loses gimmick is over.

[Punch on Tap]

Not going to lie. Ryan is as popular as he is from doing mostly nothing. All superficial stuff. Now imagine you add a gold medal, tough fights, and the boxing pedigree. Yea he would’ve been massive by todays accounts. Because he was massive back then.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Respectfully, that has never been supported by the data. Floyd sold millions against opponents that he was heavily favored against. Im sure he sold to haters but the overwhelming number of fans liked him despite him playing the villain role.

Check the ODH pre fight buildup. Floyd did many fan friendly events even though he talked bad about ODH. People seem to forget that Actions speak louder than words.

It was important to those that hate Floyd and to how Floyd marketed himself. Ali marketed himself as the greatest- that didnt change when he lost. His popularity didnt drop.

I doubt Floyd stops calling himself TBE should he have lost. I also dont see how a loss lowers the fan interest in any of his 5-7 biggest fights.

I get the numbers argument, it’s fair but I don’t agree with it, there’s no way Mayweather still does those sort of numbers if he’d lost to Castillo, lost to De La Hoya, lost to Cotto, lost Canelo etc. I just can’t see it. Mayweather’s selling point was his excellence in the ring, a couple of losses heavily diminishes that.

Floyd had nowhere near the charisma of Ali. I don’t think anybody comes close to Ali.

Floyd definitely changed the game in terms of making big fights into events.

[IronDanHamza]

Cause Oscar did lose. There’s no way Floyd could have survived the losses like Oscar did. I also think Oscar essentially made Floyd and Pac. Neither of those guys were doing mega numbers until they fought Oscar.

I’m not saying it’s definitive but that’s how I analyse star power, rather than just looking at the statistical data.

Ok but what's the point there? Floyd didn't lose and that was a key part to his marketability; being invincible.

That wasn't the case for Oscar. Just like it wasn't the case for Floyd that most of his fans were female. So it's apples and oranges, and a moot point.

It's like saying Tyson wouldn't have his star power if he wasn't scary. If we're taking away fighers main part of their marketability then yeah, sure, they would lose their star power but the point makes no sense.

Like I said, if Oscar got burnt in a horrific fire accident and his face was deformed he wouldn't have the same star power either. It's irrelevant because he didn't.

Right. And Oscar didn't do "mega numbers" like them all too often either.

[The Big Dunn]

I get the numbers argument, it’s fair but I don’t agree with it, there’s no way Mayweather still does those sort of numbers if he’d lost to Castillo, lost to De La Hoya, lost to Cotto, lost Canelo etc. I just can’t see it. Mayweather’s selling point was his excellence in the ring, a couple of losses heavily diminishes that.

Floyd had nowhere near the charisma of Ali. I don’t think anybody comes close to Ali.

Floyd definitely changed the game in terms of making big fights into events.

A loss to Fishnets makes sense as that launched him. I still think it is a mistake to try to deflate his fanbase.

I get he cant market the record, but he still had the skills and talent. Maybe he uses the Olympic robbery to market himself.

Fair point, but when he got the stage, he showed tremendous charisma. He was also way ahead of other boxers using social media.

[QballLobo]

People forget how big of a mainstream star Oscar was. He was doing music videos with Shaq and all kinds of celebrities and politicians would come out for his fights.

People make jokes now because of the pics that leaked but Oscar was a true stickman back in his day. He was on the DiCaprio level with what he was pulling.

In the social media area people would have seen more of him swinging his **** around Hollywood.