Comments Thread For: David Haye Confident His 'Prime' Version Would Have Beaten Oleksandr Usyk

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Haye was “just edged in rounds” vs Klitscho? Get the phuck outta here with that nonsense.

Haye vs Usyk? Close call. I’ll take Usyk.

Well he was not beaten up by Kiltschko, he was just edged. With the Jab, and better boxing.

Skill for skill, you could clearly see Haye was a elite level fighter at that time.

Back then Kiltschko was systematically beating down most of his opponents 'All accept David Haye'.

Chisora has been bulling the heavy division for a long time. Bulling appoints whether he wins or loses. A peak Chisora's momentum was stopped only by Haye head on.

Nobody has really fought Chisora head on in the manner Haye did. Fury did try to fight this way in their first fight, won the fight 'But he did not knock Chisora out'.

David Haye was physically stronger that Usyk, his punch speed was equal or maybe even superior with single punches. Defense superior, and power definitely 1000% on another level compared to Usyk.

Stylistically I don't think Usyk is a daunting fight for Haye. Usyk is not a super heavyweight, and has never really shown a inside game 'Usyk is not wrestling Haye on the inside, a skill Haye displayed vs Chisora'.

He is going to be constantly fighting Haye from mid-long range, constantly operating from the danger zone. Usyk best not be hit if that is his game, but he gets hit hard and consistently in all of his fights.

Battered by Joshua twice, Battered by Chisora. And he will be battered win or lose by Tyson Fury.

I rate Usyk, I think he is a great fighter. And I have given him a chance of beating Fury. But stylistically, it is already clear at Heavyweight that he is struggling with certain styles and fighters 'David Haye will be one of those fighters'.

[just the facts]

Well he was not beaten up by Kiltschko, he was just edged. With the Jab, and better boxing.

Skill for skill, you could clearly see Haye was a elite level fighter at that time.

Back then Kiltschko was systematically beating down most of his opponents 'All accept David Haye'.

Chisora has been bulling the heavy division for a long time. Bulling appoints whether he wins or loses. A peak Chisora's momentum was stopped only by Haye head on.

Nobody has really fought Chisora head on in the manner Haye did. Fury did try to fight this way in their first fight, won the fight 'But he did not knock Chisora out'.

David Haye was physically stronger that Usyk, his punch speed was equal or maybe even superior with single punches. Defense superior, and power definitely 1000% on another level compared to Usyk.

Stylistically I don't think Usyk is a daunting fight for Haye. Usyk is not a super heavyweight, and has never really shown a inside game 'Usyk is not wrestling Haye on the inside, a skill Haye displayed vs Chisora'.

He is going to be constantly fighting Haye from mid-long range, constantly operating from the danger zone. Usyk best not be hit if that is his game, but he gets hit hard and consistently in all of his fights.

Battered by Joshua twice, Battered by Chisora. And he will be battered win or lose by Tyson Fury.

I rate Usyk, I think he is a great fighter. And I have given him a chance of beating Fury. But stylistically, it is already clear at Heavyweight that he is struggling with certain styles and fighters 'David Haye will be one of those fighters'.

Cmon dude losing 10-2 isn’t being edged.

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Battered by Joshua twice

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Thinking about it stylistically, Usyk-Haye would have probably ended up being quite dull. For all of his his punching power Haye was kind of a safety-first fighter. He only let his punches go when he knew they would land. He wasn't a go-for-broke guy and he wouldn't have tried to bully Usyk like Chisora did, he would have boxed him and most likely lost on points.

[PRINCEKOOL]

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Thinking about it stylistically, Usyk-Haye would have probably ended up being quite dull. For all of his his punching power Haye was kind of a safety-first fighter. He only let his punches go when he knew they would land. He wasn't a go-for-broke guy and he wouldn't have tried to bully Usyk like Chisora did, he would have boxed him and most likely lost on points.

Against another Cruiser weight or old school Heavyweight in terms of physique, Haye would be more offensive.

Haye destroyed Monte Barrett, John Ruiz, Thomasz Bonin and was extremely aggressive in those fights.

Lets all just gets the facts right about Usyk. He is winning fights at heavyweight, but he is destroying nobody. Even fighters that were matched against him, to make him look devastating 'They are all surviving'.

Haye was never and has ever been a safety first fighter. He was what I call a ambush type fighter.

You say he is safety first because, the man was never really beaten up. It was very difficult for his opponents to sustain a consistent beating on him.

Stylistically fast, athletic, super heavyweights with a ether a inside game or the ability to use rough house tactics 'Were always Haye's biggest challenge'.

Usyk does not have a inside game, has shown zero ability to use rough house tactics and? Usyk is not a Super Heavyweight.

Stylistically Usyk is not the challenge for Haye, like Wladimir Kiltschko was.

Haye is physically stronger than Usyk, and hits with many more levels of power.

From round 1, Usyk is going to be constantly in range and fighting in the danger zone. He is not going to tie up Haye, or disrupt his offense the same way Kiltschko did.

David Haye is the stronger fighter, Usyk will do nothing to him or with him on the inside.

I honestly think Haye beats Usyk over the distance, or via stoppage. I don't think it is a good stylistic match up for Usyk.

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Haye is physically stronger than Usyk, and hits with many more levels of power.

You keep bringing up how physically strong Haye is but that isn't what wins boxing matches. Usyk is the more technical, more experienced, more skilled boxer. That's what counts. Usyk would hit Haye more than Haye would hit him.

No, Haye would not be able to walk through Usyk's punches to land his own (nor would he attempt to). And no, Haye didn't knock everybody out with the first punch he hit them with.

For all the talk of Haye's power, it's strange how he couldn't even drop Bellew in two fights yet Usyk knocked Bellew out cold. Yes, Haye was shot at the time, but power is the last thing to go and when he hit Tony with his best shot he went nowhere. Why is that? Is Usyk a stronger puncher than Haye then? No, he's a better boxer and ultimately that's what matters most.

[kafkod]

Usyk gets battered and busted up real good in 99.9% of his fights. His defense is overrated.

Haye at his peak or even just outside was very rarely battered bruised badly.

There are plenty of pictures out there of Usyk busted up real bad. He was a battered vs Joshua & Chisora.

There are plenty of pictures of Haye on the canvas after getting decked and KTFO by guys who would have been toyed with by Usyk.

[PRINCEKOOL]

You keep bringing up how physically strong Haye is but that isn't what wins boxing matches. Usyk is the more technical, more experienced, more skilled boxer. That's what counts. Usyk would hit Haye more than Haye would hit him.

No, Haye would not be able to walk through Usyk's punches to land his own (nor would he attempt to). And no, Haye didn't knock everybody out with the first punch he hit them with.

For all the talk of Haye's power, it's strange how he couldn't even drop Bellew in two fights yet Usyk knocked Bellew out cold. Yes, Haye was shot at the time, but power is the last thing to go and when he hit Tony with his best shot he went nowhere. Why is that? Is Usyk a stronger puncher than Haye then? No, he's a better boxer and ultimately that's what matters most.

The two Bellew fights were at the end of Haye's career. And if you would of followed his career? You would know that he had a career ending shoulder injury, which he came back from 'It was a minor miracle he even came out of retirement'. Haye was constantly getting injured in the latter part of his career.

Still in saying that, in the first Bellew fight 'Haye was beating Bellew quite easily before his injury'.

If people are being honest, Bellew was skill for skill right there with Usyk when they fought, and was having no problems winning rounds. Bellew was also dead at the weight 'He should of fought Usyk at Heavyweight'.

I don't think Usyk would of stopped Bellew at Heavyweight back then, and it would of been a extremely close fight.

I never said Haye would walk through Usyk's punches, that has never been Haye's style. So I have no idea why you have stated that.

What I am stating is? Usyk is not going to disrupt Haye's offense. Usyk does not have the strength to tie Haye up on the inside, and he has zero inside game.

Stylistically I don't think it is a super tough fight for Haye. Usyk is destroying nobody at Heavyweight, he has yet to even deck another Heavyweight.

People can mock Haye, and get carried away with Usyk. But when you look at this fight critically, go through all the attributes skill for skill.

Usyk does not have the attributes or specific skills that mostly challenge Haye. Usyk is not a super heavyweight, does not have a inside game, has no idea what rough house tactics are, and he is not going to be out of range at any point in the fight.

Chisora past his peak, vs a peak Usyk. Found Usyk, when Usyk was trying to get away. That is the difference.

Haye was never trying to get away from Chisora, he met him head on and knocked him out. YOUR attempt to demean Haye's power, is completely useless.

David Haye was the first fighter to spark out Chisora at his peak. It would take another 7 years, for Chisora to be decked again. After 7 years of no fighter being able to stop his momentum. Chisora is a mess now, and Tyson Fury still could not deck him.

So lets be real here mate, you know why Haye suffered vs Bellew. People cannot hold those fights against him, still he showed great courage and gameness in both fights for me.

Usyk might be a better boxer, but Haye was also really top world level boxer himself. You don't unify the Cruiser weight division, on the sly he was really the undisputed Champion 'You don't win a Heavyweight title coming up from Cruiser weight, without boxing ability'.

Boxing is also a fight. At any given time, there are two things simultaneously happening in a boxing match 'A boxing match, and a fight'.

Usyk does not win the fight, and I think there is a high likely-hood he gets stopped.

[PRINCEKOOL]

There are plenty of pictures of Haye on the canvas after getting decked and KTFO by guys who would have been toyed with by Usyk.

Usyk is one of the few fighters I have ever seen, apparently toy with his opponents but still end up in a complete mess and battered after the fight.

Haye has never been knocked out, he has never been counted out 'And he has always got up off the deck'.

Got up vs Thompson, got up vs Bellew.

Usyk is not toying with Mormeck, did not toy with Bellew, didn't toy with Chisora or Joshua.

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Haye was hurt, floored, and stopped by lesser fighters. He wouldn't have beaten Usyk. Not by outboxing, outfighting, or anything. He'd gas himself out missing haymakers after realizing his only chance is a hail mary KO.

[kafkod]

Usyk is one of the few fighters I have ever seen, apparently toy with his opponents but still end up in a complete mess and battered after the fight.

Haye has never been knocked out, he has never been counted out 'And he has always got up off the deck'.

Got up vs Thompson, got up vs Bellew.

Usyk is not toying with Mormeck, did not toy with Bellew, didn't toy with Chisora or Joshua.

He isn't getting decked or KTFO by any of them either, or by Carl Thompson.

He has pale skin which marks up easily, but he has never been down or even wobbled, let alone stopped.