Comments Thread For: Robert Garcia: "Boots Ennis Is Going To Have Trouble With Vergil Ortiz"

[Malvado]

This isn't to say that Jaron Ennis isn't a top contender, I am just unsure that he beat top opposition since they aren't much of a challenge if you check the fights with context. None of them really had the means to hurt Ennis even when Ennis was caught with big shots.

-Dulorme was coming off from two beatings against Jamal James and Stanionis losing every big fight.
-Clayton biggest fight was a draw against a light welterweight, unwilling to throw anything at Ennis.
-Lipinets only had retired Peterson who was already done after the competitive bout against Ava before the beating he received from Errol Spence.

The closest opponent with similar knockout power to Ortiz is George Sosa around five years ago who was (15-10-1) with 15 knockouts but was coming off from two losses and a draw, Jaron Ennis knocked him out in the 2nd round.

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Obviously five years later, Ennis improved by now, but as of now I think he should be tested by someone like Kavaliuskas rather than make assumptions by using the "eye test" when it is easy to look extraordinary against hand picked opponents.

[Sosay]

No need to overanylze this, it's 100% true but both ways. I doubt it's 90% that would pick Ennis built I can why more would. I just doubt anyone would be surprised if Virgil won afterwards. At the end of the day, they "LOOK" like the best young guys at 147 but we don't know of they're the real deal yet, they've fought no one. My favorite two young guys right now and I definitely wanna see them fight but this is the one fight that I love to simmer for awhile but only if they're fighting others top/high ranked welters first. Yeah, one could be knocked off and the big fight is ruined but I'd rather than that happens instead of them fighting, one winning easily and being annointed only to see them both fizzle out afterwards. We have big fights (big draw/2undefeated fighters Ala Tank vs Ryan) vs BIG FIGHTS(Best vs best in prime Big4from the 80's). Let's get back to the ladder as the only big fights.

[Jrock56]

In another day both of this fighters would be getting a title shot already as there are enough titles in this weight division to go around to all true contenders, as they are. The true champions would be jumping to fight them before they fought each other and draw the big gate themselves. Boots/ Ortiz is more interesting than Spence / Crawford, as it may have a better chance of happening while they’re still in their prime.

[Roadblock]

I think the fight will be closer than what people think, Ive seen Boots get hit by shots that he doesn't want to get hit by from the top guys, Vergil is no bum its an interesting fight Id love to see happen.

[champion4ever]

You've clearly never seen Ortiz fight if you think that all he has is "power". The guy has one of,if not the best, powerful jabs in all of boxing,guy even dropped Kava with it. Throws it up top and to the body equally well. Has a very good inside game and is a very good body puncher. He broke down both Kava and McKinson with it. He's relentless,applies constant pressure and has a tremendous gas tank. He isn't as "cute" in there as Ennis but it doesn't mean what he does have isn't as effective. The guy has never been forced to fight off the back foot which is what you're going to have to do to beat him. If not,that pressure and power WILL break you down.If Kava favors him over Bud what does that tell you? That he's more than "just power"........

It's as 50/50 a fight as one gets imo.

No, I have seen Ortiz fight plenty and I have also seen him hurt and rocked before by lesser foes than Ennis too. Look, here's the deal. I am not saying that the kid can't fight because he can.

Moreover, I believe that him and Jaron Ennis are the futures of the welterweight division. However, I believe that he eats way too many clean punches to defeat Jaron 'Boots' Ennis that's all.

[Bullrider]

This is a very strange sport. Two young fighters on the top of their game. They're healthy, available and ready, yet they're not fighting. Any guess how many years would it take for fans to see when these guys are ready to face each other?

[DClefthook]

Don’t hate or compare, U sound racist as ****kk!

No that's just that good ol inferiority complex coming out again hahahaha

[Sosay]

This isn't to say that Jaron Ennis isn't a top contender, I am just unsure since the opposition hasn't really been elite fighters if you check the fights with context. None of them really had the means to hurt Ennis even when Ennis was caught with big shots such as Dulorme who immediately got knocked out and Sergey Lipinets didn't really belong in the same division.

Dulorme was coming off from two beatings against Jamal James and Stanionis losing every big fight. Clayton biggest fight was a draw against a light welterweight unwilling to throw anything at Ennis and Lipinets only had retired Lamont Peterson who was already done after the competitive bout against Ava before the beating he received from Errol Spence.

The closest opponent with similar knockout power to Ortiz is George Sosa around five years ago who was (15-10-1) with 15 knockouts but was coming off from two losses and a draw, Jaron Ennis knocked him out in the 2nd round though the journeyman never won against any good names and was already in the decline as he retired in his next match.

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Obviously, Ennis most have improved, but as of now I think he is unproven and should be tested by someone like Kavaliuskas, Stationis or Butaev rather than make assumptions by using the "eye test" when it is easy to look extraordinary against hand picked opponents.

I agree but that goes for Ortiz as well right. Let's be fair to both and not misleading( I haven't read all post so I apologize if you posted the same or similar about Ortiz)


McKinson, Kavaliauskas, Hooker
Clayton, Dulorme, Lipinets.

McKinson and Hooker are picture perfect no threats for Ortiz and Kavaliuskas has a bit of power but can only **** which gave him 0 chance vs Ortiz.

Yeah, Ortiz Ko's Boots last three opponents maybe better than boots But I'm certain that Boots has better showing against Ortiz's last three opponents. Basically Boots does better against McKinson as he'd catch a mover being a mover himself. All of this really means nothing. They both need to step up and prove the hype.

It feels good when you can like two fighters in the same division.

[DClefthook]

It's Boots's chin that still has a question mark. Ortiz proved he can take a big shot as he ate a flush uppercut from mean machine who's as much a big puncher at 147 than anyone. The shot made his legs to stiff for a brief second but he took it. Lipinets,Dulorme and Clayton have nowhere near the power of Kava.

Could you please explain how his chin still has a ??

[LA_2_Vegas]

Thinking Ennis needs a better fight for me to compare - the last guy was flopping around like a fish outta water, some thought it was a rabbit punch, the crowd didn't react like it was some sensational KO, I didn't feel like that night helped Ennis at all. Lipinets, tough guy but not 147. As of today, I lthink Ortiz's fight have been a nice progression and I think he's encountered more style wise and situation wise, but I'm going to give Ennis some room to make a better fight and re-assess.