ATG List, Who's higher...?

[Doctor_Tenma]

The guy has much more talent than Hopkins.

You could also say that Hopkins' biggest win was against a blown up WW. Lets not forget all these other fighters who were blown up?

He lost twice to Jermain Taylor...

Tito was legit at 160, having knocked out William Joppy. Not only did he win, he dominated. He was also the under dog against Tarver; skipping 168, not only did most experts say Tarver was gonna retire him, B-Hop dominated. We already know how most, including here on NSB picked Pavlik to win by K.O, B-Hop went on to dominate. People love to discredit B-Hop's win over DLH but don't acknowledge the fact that it took place at a catch weight of 156, 2 pounds higher then DLH's natural weight, B-Hop was the first to stop him. Then retired undefeated Joe Lipsey, completely dominated and stopped Glen Johnson. Also names that deserve a mention, Mercado, Joppy, Winky, Eastman, Echols, Holmes.... 21 title defenses. In my opinion, beat Taylor in the rematch and beat Calzaghe, I scored that 114-113 B-Hop. At that age, being elite, that is an accomplishment in itself.

You can't make a case for Floyd. Mayweather would have to beat Shane and the winner of Cotto vs Pacquiao.

[D-MiZe]

Stays the same. both are flawed but good wins.

Dawson ain't all that great but he's a Natural LHW

Pac is great but he's not a natural WW

I would make floyd and BHop significant favourites to win those respective fights.

What if Floyd-Pac fought at a catchweight?

[D-MiZe]

You can't make a case for Floyd. Mayweather would have to beat Shane and the winner of Cotto vs Pacquiao.

To be at least ranked near Hopkins or to be higher?

[Doctor_Tenma]

To be at least ranked near Hopkins or to be higher?

Equal I would say.

[D-MiZe]

Well, if you based it off skill and talent.

Would you still have Hopkins higher?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Take it from me, I'm a HUGE Mayweather fan. Most people don't acknowledge Mayweather's resume at SFW. Some people will say, "Mayweather faught the best from SFW to LW. Not Jr WW to WW" and have no clue how GREAT Mayweather's SFW resume is. They will just repear what everyone else is saying. We're talking...

Manfredy
Ganero Hernandez
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Carlos Gerena
Corrales

Pretty much 6 title defenses at 130. The names I've mentioned, mother fuckers on here don't even know them.

[D-MiZe]

So even though Mayweather has such a great resume at SFW and has traveled the weights more than Hopkins, you still rate Hopkins higher?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Well, if you based it off skill and talent.

Would you still have Hopkins higher?

We're talking P4P here.

Speed: Mayweather
Accuracy: Mayweather
Defense: Mayweather (Not by alot)
Power: B-Hop
Stamina: B-Hop
Footwork: Even (They're both experts and lowering their opponents output)
Infighting: B-Hop
Counter Punching: Mayweather
Better dirty fighter (That's a skill in my opinion): B-Hop
Combination Punching: B-Hop
Chin: B-Hop

Who wins in a P4P sense?

















I'm not touching that with a 90 foot pole!

[Doctor_Tenma]

So even though Mayweather has such a great resume at SFW and has traveled the weights more than Hopkins, you still rate Hopkins higher?

Yes because, Mayweather beat the best at LW (Not in my opinion), the best LW was Casamayor. His 140/147/154 stuff was the icing on the cake. Still, resume isn't as good as B-Hop's.

[D-MiZe]

We're talking P4P here.

Speed: Mayweather
Accuracy: Mayweather
Defense: Mayweather (Not by alot)
Power: B-Hop
Stamina: B-Hop
Footwork: Even (They're both experts and lowering their opponents output)
Infighting: B-Hop
Counter Punching: Mayweather
Better dirty fighter (That's a skill in my opinion): B-Hop
Combination Punching: B-Hop
Chin: B-Hop

Who's win in a P4P sense?

You can't consider a dirty fighter as a skill. How do you know BHop has better stamina?