Pound for Pound is About SKILLS not OPPOSITION

[alexpz]

hey Fulcum if your saying Floyd schooled JMM which pacquiao having problem well Manny schooled Oscar without a problem.

The point is Manny is fighting bigger opponents to become great while Floyd fights smaller opponents to become great.

[joe_black]

I don't wanna sound like I'm ****riding Floyd here, because I have criticised him plenty in the past.

I know he was expected to win, but I didn't expect him to win every single round by a landslide. That surprised and impressed me. Although, I do admit that even though I held reservations regarding Marquez's ability to carry the weight, he carried it even worse than I thought he would.

You seriously do not think it was evident that his skills are still there? I mean, the speed, the defensive abilities, the precise countering - it all looked pretty good to me. Again I accept Marquez was way above his proper fighting weight, but all Floyd's tools looked to be in order from where I was sitting.

As far as Floyd going to war with Marquez - it was never going to happen. Floyd isn't a risk-taker in the ring, at least not any more. He doesn't care about pleasing the critics or the crowd, he simply cares about getting the win. That's just the way it is with Mayweather.

Mosley used steroids, Mayweather/Pac didn't.

To cut the long story short, Mosley's victories are tainted so he's not the best.

So are you conceding the fact that Mosley is the best, if not for the steroid issue?

[Fulcrum29]

So are you conceding the fact that Mosley is the best, if not for the steroid issue?

If NOT? What do you mean how can it be a "not" when it "WAS?" That's like saying "are you conceding that JFK had the record for becoming the first person to be re elected president 4 times IF NOT for him being assassinated? Makes no sense what you're asking me.

[Dan...]

JMM dominated himself by taking the fight, putting on the weight and losing all his speed and reflexes.

He doesn't belong at WW period.

I accept that. I just thought the way in which Floyd fought was impressive. I guess it is tough to gauge because I don't know how MArquez would have gone in there against say a Cotto. Obviously if he goes in there and Cotto blows him out straight up then FLoyd's win means jack ****.

[fdotorres]

Is Frazier more skilled than Ali?

is prescott more skilled than khan?

is maidana more skilled that ortiz?

is hatton more skilled than paulie?

answer my questions, don't chicken out now

[tesla_power]

I don't wanna sound like I'm ****riding Floyd here, because I have criticised him plenty in the past.

I know he was expected to win, but I didn't expect him to win every single round by a landslide. That surprised and impressed me. Although, I do admit that even though I held reservations regarding Marquez's ability to carry the weight, he carried it even worse than I thought he would.

You seriously do not think it was evident that his skills are still there? I mean, the speed, the defensive abilities, the precise countering - it all looked pretty good to me. Again I accept Marquez was way above his proper fighting weight, but all Floyd's tools looked to be in order from where I was sitting.

As far as Floyd going to war with Marquez - it was never going to happen. Floyd isn't a risk-taker in the ring, at least not any more. He doesn't care about pleasing the critics or the crowd, he simply cares about getting the win. That's just the way it is with Mayweather.

Yup. Jmm very slow speed due to the added bulk doomed him but I counted 5 flush shots. Not much, I know, but I'm already thinking ahead to pac/cotto/mosley. Pbf smiled at those punches. But he did not exactly face a murderers row of punchers in his WW stint. IMO, basically, he is in the same boat as Pac. Can he take a WW punch? The thing is, pac can answer that November 14. Pbf... I'll have to wait for his next move. I'm looking to see how well can he take a well timed and very strong punch and get out of danger fast. Nowhere in that fight that indicate he is in danger.

[Fulcrum29]

hey Fulcum if your saying Floyd schooled JMM which pacquiao having problem well Manny schooled Oscar without a problem.

The point is Manny is fighting bigger opponents to become great while Floyd fights smaller opponents to become great.

Sadly, you're wrong on both accounts.

Floyd fought bigger opponents all his life, probably even much more than Pac.
Floyd fought Oscar at 154 and moved up to that weight for the first time and dominated him. Pac fought a shell of Oscar that was not even considered a legitimate fight - that's how bad Oscar looked.

Floyd moved up for the first time to Castillo's weight class of 135 and challenged him there without ever having fought there and was outweighed by 9lbs. He was the underdog AND had an injured shoulder and still won. How long will you Pacman fans continue to embarrass yourselves with your lack of boxing knowledge?

[joe_black]

Dude, what punches? Marquez landed only 12%, his weight had nothing to do with THAT fact - Floyd's defense did.

Marquez was as slow as a turtle and the weight difference compounded that already significant handicap.

[JAB5239]

Stay on topic, puto. This thread isn't about his resume it's about his p4p #1 legitimacy based on the definition of POUND FOR POUND, one that seems to escape ******s like you and just about every other prepubescent Pacman semen-drenched 12 year old in this thread.

First off, I'd like to see Webster's definition of p4p. Seems to me you're making your own definition up. Second, resume SHOULD play the biggest role in determining p4p. Pacquiao has been steadily moving up and beating top notch competition, and doing it impressively. As skilled as Floyd is he is making other fighters move up to face him. On top of that he didn't make the contracted weight. And on top of that he hasn't been fighting the best in his division. You can talk about Baldomir, but we all know the truth. Baldomir was a light hitting, slow moving, limited fighter who beat a guy who has always under achieved. All this SHOULD have a huge bearing on p4p.

Why is Ray Robinson almost universally considered the greatest fighter ever p4p? Sure his skills play a role in it, but its the fact that he always proved himself by fighting the best that defines his legacy. Floyd hasn't done this with any consistency in almost 7 and a half years.

[nelsoncm]

I'm getting tired of Pacman nuthuggers hating on Floyd's recent placement back atop the P4P rankings due to the fact that he fought a guy moving up.

The fact is, by the pure definition of the term POUND FOR POUND Floyd is #1, not Pacman. Pound for Pound has nothing to do with who you fight, or who is the best at your weight division. I found it so laughable when I heard a Cotto nuthugger say that Cotto should be P4P ahead of Mayweather because Cotto has proven himself at 147 and thus is the king of 147 and Mayweather is not. Um..what the hell does 147 have to do with p4p? Absolutely nothing.
Pound for pound means that given the same size/physical advantages, the fighter rated p4p higher will always win and beat someone ranked p4p lower than him.
With that said what the hell does fighting Marquez have to do with the fact that at equal weights Floyd would demolish Pacquaio and school him even worse than he schooled JMM?
Given these obvious assertions, it is clear that Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound #1 in the world right now as he was before his retirement.

Keep in mind that who you fight has SOME bearing on it but ONLY in the sense that it gives a measurement of what your boxing ability truly is. And in the end the P4P ranking is all about BOXING ABILITY not resumes.
HOW you win a fight is more important for P4P rankings than who you fight.
I.E. going life and death with JMM twice for Pac, and easily dominating him 120-107 for Mayweather. That's the P4P difference.

I highly agree with you.

Which means Paulie Malignaggi and Ivan Calderon should be in top 5.

To hell with achievement. Skill is in. Calderon is greater than Cotto for being a highly technical boxer.