Those saying how bad Loma looked.

[Mammoth]

What do think the other guy did, he has done more rounds with Loma than any of Lomas opponents, and he can really box, he had every advantage size youth and Loma has been out for a long time gone to war etc, fkn this sht is unreal.

And by the way, Ortiz was emulating Commey, he wasn't himself sparing if you guys had some real experience you would know this stuff.

Or if I listened to an interview where Ortiz said exactly that I'd also know. Ortiz shouldn't have performed that well against Loma. Doesn't matter what the circumstances were. He had a very competitive fight with Jamel Herring and the ESPN crew basically said Herring was pretty much shot and should retire for losing to him. Ortiz also drew with a loser like Adorno.

[j0zef]

Ring rust never changes physics rules. Size matters in boxing, highly matters.. Loma is natural 126-130 lber not more. The problem is his potential opponents ain't even 135 lbers. They're 140-147 lbers. Haney can even fight at LMW.

This. He did have a lot of ring rust and missed on several months of training, but damn - size! Ortiz looked way bigger. And majority of other opponents, they're all young guys who are naturally significantly larger. So you have one fighter in his mid 30s past his prime challenging himself by moving up ~2 divisions fighting against early-mid 20s fighters who are draining 20 lbs before getting on the scale. There's at least 15 lb difference between these guys on fight night.

Lomachenko pointed this out during post-fight interview when Haney got in the ring - he said "Is this lightweight? This is heavyweight!"

[Roadblock]

Or if I listened to an interview where Ortiz said exactly that I'd also know. Ortiz shouldn't have performed that well against Loma. Doesn't matter what the circumstances were. He had a very competitive fight with Jamel Herring and the ESPN crew basically said Herring was pretty much shot and should retire for losing to him. Ortiz also drew with a loser like Adorno.

We are looking at his performance yesterday, Im not into the past or future, just what I see on the day, he boxed well and Lomas timing was off a little, which was easy to see, but in high-level boxing, a little is a lot and the long game which championship fighters handle so well was a hard thing for Ortiz to pull off considering the jump in class he had to make for this fight.

I don't get your first comment or the point you're trying to make there, it seems to be that everything else overrides the performance on the day, Ortiz fought outside himself and boxed at a very high level; the reality is, he may come away and improve on that, or he may be shattered mentally and just disappear, we won't know that until further on down the road,as I said earlier, what turned up to fight Loma would have beat Kambosis, if that happened I can only imagine the way this forum would embrace him as a winner, as a loser they see a bum they use to try the put sht on Lomachenko which is how this forum rolls, it's all about favouritism and hating on a guy, I have no patience for haters I think they are the scourge of boxing.

Ah now I get your comment, I didn't watch any interviews I didn't even wait for the official result I knew who won I just flicked it over to catch the last few rounds of Jake the fake, I thought everybody knew that sparring partners are brought in to copy the opponents the main guy is training for, I thought that was common knowledge.

[Hustle]

Hes old, has a style that depends on reflexes and is undersized for 135. is what it is, the blue print to outwork him is there and fighters know this now and these larger guys are willing to do it because they arent afraid of his counters the same way guys of his size were.

Exactly this

[ELPacman]

All my drunk ass remembers is saying, Loma looked small in comparison to Ortiz. They looked like different weight classes. Similar to Lopez v Loma. Loma either not in a weight class he's best at nowadays or just getting old. Probably a combination of both and neither suits him well. Doubt we'll ever see the magic again.

[War Room]

So now 10 months is a long lay off? Its almost standard. Floyd came back after 2 years to win every rounds vs Marquez. The coping excuses are hilaruous.

So many people that DKSAB here, it's crazy.

[Lance98]

People making excuses for loma looking bad but will come down hard on other fighters if they look this bad. Loma should have lost the fight. He was getting tagged with punches all night. Where was his defence and head movement?

[landotter]

Lomachenko is what he is. A great fighter of this generation that has not made the all time great status he could- or maybe should- have yet. While a division lower is better for him and he could compete much easier at it, he is focused on Haney and the top level competition here. I suppose in that regard we can give him credit for not taking the easier path. He wants to win at this division despite being smaller than everyone at the top.

If his best days are behind him, he still is good enough to compete. If this is just a matter of getting his head back into boxing 100%, than we will know next fight as other posters continue to say. I find myself cheering for him. I love his boxing style. But this much is true: If his reflexes are slower, it will end truly ugly for him against these top fighters. He cannot hurt them with one shot, as he depends on snapping multiple clean hits to wear opponents down over many rounds. Power is not his thing. They will absolutely click his light switch off if they land flush.

[paulf]

Loma has always struggled at 135.

He's not a lightweight. He's fighting at lightweight because 135 is a threshold for larger money and relevance. General public isn't really interested in the divisions below lightweight.

[Vlad_]

Isn't Loma the downloading data guy? Should have been already downloaded from the sparring sessions.

No because in sparring, Ortiz’s job was to emulate Commey, not be Ortiz.