Comments Thread For: Andre Ward: Canelo 'Doesn't Have Lot Of Prime Names On His Resume'

[Regge]

Ward is nothing but a biatch he acts like a female. He's been jealous of canelo for years now.

Ward is irrelevant he's a nobody who still wants attention but is too much of a ***** to get back in the ring. His career was blah nothing more

[El_Maldito_Rey]

Golovkin beat Jacobs, Canelo x2, Murray, Geale, Lemieux and Macklin legitimately.

Pacquiao beat Cotto, Barrera x2, Marquez x2, Thurman, Bradley x3, Clottey, Hatton, Diaz, Morales, Larios, Sasakul and Lebwaba legitimately.

Mayweather beat Maidana x2, Oscar, Castillo x2, Chavez and Hernandez legitimately.

Ward is the one who stands out badly as he only beat Froch legitimately. However, that one win against an ATG is better than the 2 good wins Canelo has.

Based on your definition and standards of robberies, legitimate wins and fighters who were past their primes lets go through your list:

Golovkin - If you want to call the Canelo fights robberies then the Jacobs fights is a robbery. Derevyanchencko also got robbed, but let's not talk about that one right?. Murray, Geale, Lemiux, and Macklin are all Rocky Fielding level fighters.

Pacquaio - weight drained Cotto - not legitimate, Barerra and Morales were past their primes, not legitimate, Marquez got robbed in all his fights before planking Pacquiao, Hatton is a Callum Smith/Saunders level opponent and Clottey, Diaz, Larios, Saskul and Lebwaba are all Yildrim/Feilding level opponents.

Mayweather - Lost to Castillo, De la Hoya and Maidana. Chavez and Hernandez are Smith level opponents.

Ward - Froch is on the level of Callum Smith stop acting like he's an ATG.

See anyone can nitpick anyone's career.

[Rebelrbg]

Smith is looking better as he now doesn't have to boil down to SM. And his opponents don't look to sabotage him by only giving him 3 weeks to prepare. Oh, and throw in the fact he isn't in a pandemic environment so he can spar properly unlike when he fought Canelo at short notice when Canelo had been in camp preparing for him for months. Canelo planned it all to gain advantage. He just needed to convince Smith that there were other opponents he might take on so he couldn't settle into camp.

I agree on the short notice with Cinnabon, but the one thing that doesn't change is that he had to go back to fighting the same level of opponents, domestic, that he was fighting before Canelo to look good.

[Regge]

Based on your definition and standards of robberies, legitimate wins and fighters who were past their primes lets go through your list:

Golovkin - If you want to call the Canelo fights robberies then the Jacobs fights is a robbery. Derevyanchencko also got robbed, but let's not talk about that one right?. Murray, Geale, Lemiux, and Macklin are all Rocky Fielding level fighters.

Pacquaio - weight drained Cotto - not legitimate, Barerra and Morales were past their primes, not legitimate, Marquez got robbed in all his fights before planking Pacquiao, Hatton is a Callum Smith/Saunders level opponent and Clottey, Diaz, Larios, Saskul and Lebwaba are all Yildrim/Feilding level opponents.

Mayweather - Lost to Castillo, De la Hoya and Maidana. Chavez and Hernandez are Smith level opponents.

Ward - Froch is on the level of Callum Smith stop acting like he's an ATG.

See anyone can nitpick anyone's career.

Haters only see it when they want they conveniently forget when it's time to nitpick they're fighter.

[Rebelrbg]

Didn't Andre Ward retire rather young, rather than have to fight Bivol and Beterbiev?

No, he retired at 33 because his career was constantly plagued with injuries. He was stripped of belts a few times due to inactivity because of injuries. He took a 17 month hiatus and, I believe, a 19 month one as well. He said in his retirement statement that he was leaving because his body was failing him and he could no longer perform at that level. But of course, the toxic comments in this community overlook the facts in order to create the narrative of ducking Bivol and Beterbiev. He never ducked anyone his entire career, but the fake story appears after he retired, its not surprising.

[Sid-Knee]

Based on your definition and standards of robberies, legitimate wins and fighters who were past their primes lets go through your list:

Golovkin - If you want to call the Canelo fights robberies then the Jacobs fights is a robbery. Derevyanchencko also got robbed, but let's not talk about that one right?. Murray, Geale, Lemiux, and Macklin are all Rocky Fielding level fighters.

Pacquaio - weight drained Cotto - not legitimate, Barerra and Morales were past their primes, not legitimate, Marquez got robbed in all his fights before planking Pacquiao, Hatton is a Callum Smith/Saunders level opponent and Clottey, Diaz, Larios, Saskul and Lebwaba are all Yildrim/Feilding level opponents.

Mayweather - Lost to Castillo, De la Hoya and Maidana. Chavez and Hernandez are Smith level opponents.

Ward - Froch is on the level of Callum Smith stop acting like he's an ATG.

See anyone can nitpick anyone's career.

Golovkin beat Jacobs by 1 point on my card. The KD was the decider. But by all means, give me your score card?

I never listed Chenko as he's not world class. He's a decent fringe world level fighter. I had Golovkin by 3 points in that one though. Golovkin 7-5 in rounds plus the KD.

Murray beat Sturm, Abraham and Martinez but was ripped off in all 3 fights. He was the real Middlweight champion until Golovkin beat him. Not Cotto after Martinez came back over a year later off a loss and looking shot to pieces. Geale beat Sturm. Macklin beat Sturm. They're good world class wins. Sturm beat Sylvester and Castillejo.

Cotto wasn't a big Welter as he'd moved up from LW. I didn't like it, but i don't see it as the deciding factor. Wehn Floyd drained Canelo, that was different as he was a fully-fledged LM. You could see in his face it took it out of him. It wasn't the case for Cotto.

Barrera was in his prime. Behave yourself. You're just desperate and pulling any old shlt here.

Morales wasn't in his prime. But he wasn't far removed from it. Morales only won the first fight after making Manny wear those ugly gloves to make him feel uncomfortable. You don't play those games. It's like someone in tennis giving their opponent a baseball bat instead. It's cowardly and it's bad sport.

Manny won two of those over Marquez. But yes, the third fight was a clear robbery.

Ricky Hatton with Wins over Tszyu, Castillo, Collazo, Tackie, Philips, Malignaggi, Maussa etc etc.. is on the same level as Callum Smith who was badly sabotaged and had only 1 world class win over George Groves?

World class fighters like Lebwaba, Larios, Clottey, Diaz, Sasakul are on the same level as bums who had been out of the ring for two years and were weight drained? That's what you're putting forth here?

Froch has wins over Bute, Groves x2, Taylor, Pascal, Abraham, Johnson, Kessler and Dirrell. But he's on the same level as a fighter who knocked out a Groves that had the best knocked out of him by Froch. And that was his only world class win. And he was sabotaged too by Canelo so it wasn't anywhere near to being the best version.

Yeah, goodbye. Hahaha. You're beyond delusional.

[Sid-Knee]

I agree on the short notice with Cinnabon, but the one thing that doesn't change is that he had to go back to fighting the same level of opponents, domestic, that he was fighting before Canelo to look good.

You don't think having a full camp and momentum would make him look much better too?

Of course he'll look better fighting lesser opponents. But it isn't the only reason. No one is at their best under the conditions Smith was when fighting Canelo. But that was the only way he was getting that fight.

[Sid-Knee]

Haters only see it when they want they conveniently forget when it's time to nitpick they're fighter.

He didn't nitpick. It was full blown deranged lunacy in desperation. There wasn't anything there of value. Nothing rational. If you do so being so intent to pull it apart, you'll come off as crazy as he does.

[Silence]

Ward's ATG place is around top 60 if we are being generous to him. Canelo has a case for top 10. I rank him 12th at the moment.

Canelo's only SMW legacy is on par with Ward let alone his LMW, MW and LHW journey. Even at WW he beat future IBF champion Miguel Vazquez twice when he was teenager.

Ward has to wash his face, go to next to Canelo and apologize to him. There are levels in this fucking sport.

[Sid-Knee]

No, he retired at 33 because his career was constantly plagued with injuries. He was stripped of belts a few times due to inactivity because of injuries. He took a 17 month hiatus and, I believe, a 19 month one as well. He said in his retirement statement that he was leaving because his body was failing him and he could no longer perform at that level. But of course, the toxic comments in this community overlook the facts in order to create the narrative of ducking Bivol and Beterbiev. He never ducked anyone his entire career, but the fake story appears after he retired, its not surprising.

Ward wasn't injured. You should look at the real reasons he was out for so long.

He ducked Bute and rematches with Kessler and Froch away from home so he couldn't cheat. He didn't want anything to do with them under those circumstances.

Beterbiev is more of an inside fighter than one who fights predominantly on the outside. Now go and check out Ward's opponents and look at their styles. Then watch him fight a Bika who had been out of the ring for 16 months other than a 1 round DQ against Mendy. Even though Bika didn't have the stamina for the full 12 after gassing at the halfway stage due to being inactive, i still only had Ward by 2 points. Had Bika been properly ready to go, he would have beaten Ward good that night. Not on those corrupt cards though. They're some of the worst i've ever seen. Bika could fight on the inside as the fight clearly shows. It's a style Ward clearly does not like. He ran from those who could do so. So it's something sparring has taught him to feel that way and let it shape him to the extreme it did.