Mayweather-Pacquiao Will Take Time, Says Arum

[hugh grant]

Arum we know Pac and PBF will take time. Any fight with PBF takes time to arrange. We are still waiting for PBF vs Cotto. Look how long it has taken for PBF to arrange this fight. PBF is a welterweight but hasnt fought Cotto yet, who is also a welterweight.

That alone must tell you something?

[WESS]

Sometimes you post very astute analyses. But then you spoil it with silly posts like this one.

1) Styles make fights. Ali and Frazier were neck and neck, but Ali destroyed Foreman, who destroyed Frazier. Styles make fights. You should know that, you're an intelligent poster, so why do you pretend you don't?

2) They were neck and neck at Featherweight and at Super Featherweight, but since then Pacquiao has become a natural Jnr Welterweight, whereas Marquez is still a natural Super Featherweight.

Marquez slowed down and lost some of his timing even when he moved up to Lightweight, and his opponents at Lightweight looked physically stronger than he did.

He slowed down even more and lost even more of his timing when he faced Floyd, and Floyd looked far stronger, physically, than he did. He also seemed to have lost a lot of his power at Welterweight.

By contrast, Pac lost none of his speed, nor any of his timing at Jnr Welterweight, and he looked physically stronger than Hatton, who was generally considered the physically strongest of all the Jnr Welterweights.

Every fighter has a maximum weight above which they can't gain any further weight without being disadvantaged. JMM's maximum peak weight is 130lb, whereas Pac's is 140lb.

I agree with most everything BUT the part where you and most everyone say Pac moved up while keeping his speed and power.

Who are you basing this off of? Hoya and Hatton? If so, they are by no means a measuring stick. I real measuring tool will be vs Cotto who I have beating Pac and at the end of the day the measuring stick will come out and because Pac lost it will be due to him being too small etc etc. Is Pac a Jr WW? Possibly. WW? No. Why does Pac fight Hoya at 147 and not Cotto? Make any sense? Not IMO

Pac has NOT been tested. You can say he has all you want but I don't see any evidence that you would be correct. Again, the real test is in Nov. After that you can analyze him.

[Dave Rado]

Styles do make fights yes but you must remember that Floyd "C O M P L E T E L Y" shut down marquez. Marquez was "Never" in the fight. It wasn't about size or speed. It was purely about skill.

So how do you explain the fact that Castillo, Judah, De La Hoya, and even Corley, were very much in the fight, when they fought him? Do you really think those fighters were all dramatically more skilful than Marquez?

Even Hatton did far better against Mayweather than Marquez did, in terms of making the early rounds competitive. Do you really think Hatton is a lot more skilled than Marquez?

[Dave Rado]

Hoya and Hatton? If so, they are by no means a measuring stick.

Hatton is a measuring stick for Jnr Welterweight, not for Welterweight. I did not claim that Pac is a natural Welterweight. He looked physically stronger than Hatton in the ring, and Hatton was generally regarded as the physically strongest of all the Jnr Welters. And Hatton was coming off his best win for several years.

I discount the De La Hoya fight, but in terms of Jnr Welterweight, you can't rationally say that the man who was the lineal champ for nearly four years, who was ranked #1 at the weight by nearly everyone, and who was coming off a good win, was not a valid test at that weight.

real measuring tool will be vs Cotto

That will be a measuring stick for Welterweight, but even if Pac turns out to be out of his depth at Welterweight, that would not prove that he's not a natural Jnr Welterweight.

who I have beating Pac

If Cotto beats Pac, then Mayweather Pac won't happen, so this hypothetical discussion would become completely irrelevant. We're only discussing what would happen IF Pac beats Cotto, and whether he'd then and only then be able to be competitive with Mayweather. If he doesn't beat Cotto, the only meaningful discussions would be about Cotto-Mayweather or Mosley-Mayweather. Pac would then be out of the Welterweight picture completely.

The most meaningful fight for Pac if he loses to Cotto would be against the Bradley-Holt winner, or possibly against Marquez.

Why does Pac fight Hoya at 147 and not Cotto? Make any sense? Not IMO

De La Hoya was coming down 7lb to fight Pac at 147. 147 was effectively a catchweight between Pac's weight at the time (135lb) and De La Hoya's weight at the time (154lb). Cotto is only being asked to come down 2lb. I don't like catchweights, but the catchweight Cotto has agreed to is far less of a problem to him than the effective catchweight De La Hoya agreed to was to him.

Having said that, it was De La Hoya's own fault - he stipulated the weight the fight was held at. This isn't an excuse for him. But the fact is, he had to lose far more weight than Cotto is having to lose.

[Migz1134]

why is everyone so concern about pacman vs money mayweather? last time i remember cotto is no easy task for pacman, should i remind you margarito aka MR cheater pound cotto with cement in his wraps all night yet cotto took the punishment and he didnt get K.O. to be honest i don't think pacman hits harder than margarito's cemented hands LMAO

[Dave Rado]

why is everyone so concern about pacman vs money mayweather?

They are hoping Pac can beat Cotto and then fight Mayweather because it would be the biggest fight in boxing since Leonard-Hagler, because of the fact that it's the former P4P #1 vs. the current P4P #1. But I agree that Cotto should be the favourite to beat Pac. The current betting odds in favour of Pac are based more on what people are hoping for than on any rational analysis, IMO. But having said that, I think Pac does have a decent chance against Cotto, and he's upset the odds many times before. I think Cotto should be the favourite to win, but not a massive favourite. And having Roach in his corner is a big leveller in Pac's favour, because Roach is a great strategist, and Pac is very good at following Roach's game plans to the letter.

[defcon215]

No one is talking Mayweather vs Cotto? No one giving Cotto a chance?

i agree with that on no ones giving cotto a shot but i am though i think pacquiaos short stint as a welterweight has come to a quick end after this

[defcon215]

So how do you explain the fact that Castillo, Judah, De La Hoya, and even Corley, were very much in the fight, when they fought him? Do you really think those fighters were all dramatically more skilful than Marquez?

Even Hatton did far better against Mayweather than Marquez did, in terms of making the early rounds competitive. Do you really think Hatton is a lot more skilled than Marquez?

corley was not in the fight in fact i think he only won 2 rds maybe 3 in he fight

but it depends on what floyd feels like doing it seem when hes the aggressor he beats fighters to a pulp and he wins by a landslid (baldimir, gatti, corrales) when he content with just countering he still wins but the fight is alot closer than it should have been (de la hoya hatton castillo)

the judah fight floyd tried to be aggressive but zabs hand speed was superior than floyds so floyd had to fall back to countering

[defcon215]

A Mayweather-Pacquiao fight will take some time to negotiate huh? So are Floyd's **** riders going to keep giving excuses of why he shouldn't fight Mosley? Here is something to take into consideration. Don't you think that beating Mosley would only increase Floyd's negotiating power with a potential Pacquiao fight? And on top of that, Mosley will be easier to negotiate with as I said before.

either that or the fact the in their 3 common opponents (hatton marquez and de la hoya) floyd sold more ppv buys than pacquio so take that into consideration that mayweather would be the draw and not pacquiao i think mayweather has an edge in negotiating

[COACH WEBB]

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