Why was James Toney such a waste

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  • Zaroku
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    #11
    Originally posted by SN!PER
    Rid**** Bowe . . . . Ike Ibeabuchi . . . . two more brilliant fighters who never reached their full potential
    Yep. Some exceed their physical abilities on guts and do the needful-doing the needful is an axiomatic British expression
    some can’t find their stride

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    • BodyBagz
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      #12
      He reached his ceiling.
      He wasn't a bum but he was no longer Lights Out either.
      He got by by being good enough to not get beaten up.

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      • TMLT87
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        #13
        One of my favourite boxers, but he had discipline problems and came across like the kind of guy who was so deluded and egotistical that he couldnt self reflect enough to address it or any other shortcomings he might have had in order to improve. Losses were always someone elses fault.

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        • Silence
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          #14
          Lol at solid footwork.

          As an answer, he was never as talented as people thought. He was good counter puncher and could fight in the pocket. That's all.

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          • 1lparm
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            #15
            Originally posted by Silence
            Lol at solid footwork.

            As an answer, he was never as talented as people thought. He was good counter puncher and could fight in the pocket. That's all.
            You vastly underestimate his power and chin if you think all he was is a guy that could fight in a telephone booth then you have never seen him fight or maybe don’t understand what you’re looking at if you watched him

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            • hugh grant
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              #16
              James toney v eubank/benn

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              • Dr. Z
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                #17
                Originally posted by 1lparm
                Good power, excellent counterpuncher, great boxing IQ, strong chin, solid footwork. The guy had so many tools in his bag but ate his way out of greatness how does that happen to a world class boxer.
                He lost to some guys he shouldn't and received a gift win over Tiberi which was criminal and caused an investigation.

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                • STREET CLEANER
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                  #18
                  Toney was one of my favorite fighters. He had so many tools and was very good in a lot of areas. Once he was overweight before the weigh in for Jones I already knew at that point he was going to have problems with his career. That was at that point one of the biggest fights for him and he couldn't get himself into shape.

                  The Montell Griffin loses was because he was even lazy in the fight. When motivated he will give you a fight like when Jirov and Holyfield.

                  Waste of talent regardless what issues he had. His ego got the best of him.

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                  • Silence
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by 1lparm

                    You vastly underestimate his power and chin if you think all he was is a guy that could fight in a telephone booth then you have never seen him fight or maybe don’t understand what you’re looking at if you watched him
                    His power was meh. His chin was good. I already said he was good counter puncher and could fight in the pocket.

                    But, he is very overrated by nostalgia lovers like you. He looked ordinary against McCallum in the first two fights, Jones, Nunn, Prince, Johnson, Griffin and even Tiberi. He robbed Tiberi and said that "I couldn't train well." If he was genuinely scary talented, he should have beat gatekeeper Tiberi without his best trainings.

                    He is typical good but not great fighter who exposed against solid opposition.
                    Last edited by Silence; 10-03-2022, 09:36 AM.

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                    • IronDanHamza
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                      #20
                      Good fighter but very overrated

                      This thread full of excuses as per usual.

                      Toney went as far as he could go. He beat some
                      good fighters, lost to some, also lost to some unranked fighters in his prime years.

                      He never beat a top fighter in dominant fashion in his entire career.

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