Comments Thread For: Wilder On Joshua's Performance Against Usyk: 'You Can Tell He Wasn't Himself'

[Toffee]

joshua seems to disagree, he made a point about usyk beating him on this night, i took it to mean he fought well

doesnt matter anyway, nobody can bottle their best night in a ring and just download it each fightnight, only a big stiff robot could do that

This. That was the best prepared, the most motivated he can be.

He was just up against a guy he can't beat.

I even think his gameplan was good. He's just up against a fighter who is kryptonite for him and maybe everyone else. We won't know until someone beats him.

[Toffee]

I think its fair to say he was handed the belts. Yes he beat a number of decent fighters after that but they always picked his opponents carefully milking the cow.

No-one gets handed belts. He put himself in a position, right from his amateur days, where he was a huge commercial draw. He earned that position. He basically bought his first belt against a weak champion. Then he fought two very good fighters to add two more belts. He would have overpaid Parker massively for that privilege.

If it was that easy to be the A Side, everyone would do it. It takes talent and dedication that very few have.

As for picking his fights once he had a belt, when? He basically fought mandatories given he had 3 orgs raking it in off him.

[Kris Silver]

He might have a small point but not much difference to how he was with Fury. Infact Wilder visibly seemed even more shook up from losing than AJ.

I respect that Wilder went for it though. Yeh he's a KO guy. AJ should've risked losing his stamina and just gone for it. Even his new trainer said he wasn't winning a decision. Well, rough the guy up Chisora style then. He still didn't. Just seemed to drift to another competitive boxing loss.

[Boricua181]

I guess AJ "wasn't himself" in the first fight with Usyk, either. Or the first fight with Ruiz.

If Joshua wasn't himself, that was all Usyk's doing, his boxing skill's coupled with his enormous fighting heart were to much for Joshua to handle.
His over the top reaction's after the fight, will cause him nightmares for years to come, his psychological breakdown was absolutely shocking/scary in a medical sense.

[Boricua181]

No-one gets handed belts. He put himself in a position, right from his amateur days, where he was a huge commercial draw. He earned that position. He basically bought his first belt against a weak champion. Then he fought two very good fighters to add two more belts. He would have overpaid Parker massively for that privilege.

If it was that easy to be the A Side, everyone would do it. It takes talent and dedication that very few have.

As for picking his fights once he had a belt, when? He basically fought mandatories given he had 3 orgs raking it in off him.

No one gets championship belts handed to them, they may be put on a easier path to winning them, but you've got to fight to earn a shot, and then you have to fight even harder to retain them.
It's as simple as that Toffee, I think you need some coffee!

[champion4ever]

Wilder didn't fight a single ranked fighter before he got a title shot. He was as bottle fed as it gets.

Then why did Joshua duck him back in 2018?

[champion4ever]

Wilder never fought avoided fighters. Wilder did "voluntary defenses" so he wouldn't have to fight highly ranked contenders in mandatory fights.

Ortiz was never a boogeyman. The guy is old and hasn't beat any notable opposition. His first real opponent is this year against Andy.

Tyson Fury is a self admitted cherry pick by Wilder gone wrong. "I made you famous by giving you a shot at the title when you were fat, retired, snorting coke, and mentally unwell".
Fury was also never "avoided" in this era. Fury became the champ and then retired. When he came back AJ and Fury were set to fight before Wilder ruined the unification fight.

So if it’s true that Ortiz was not avoided and Fury was indeed a cherry picked opponent then why didn’t AJ fight either of them when he had the opportunity to do so?

Ortiz even signed with Matchroom but still couldn’t get a fight with Joshua. If Tyson Fury was cherry-pick then so was Dmitry Bivol when he challenged Alvarez and defeated him.

[Boricua181]

Easily, we've seen Wilder beaten half to death twice and he never gives up, and has knocked down the best in the division 4 times while people that you probably would've rated higher than Wilder like Dillian Whyte get knocked out cold in 1 punch without even putting up minimal effort. AJ on the other hand is content in smiling to himself in his corner as he's waved off and if he's too tired he just stops throwing punches. Wilder is bleeding out of every orifice and exhausted and still throwing punches, he can say whatever the hell he wants about biting down in tough fights...he earned that right if nothing else.

Wilder KOs Joshua, easily. I think Hearn will feed him up to Wilder assuming Wilder doesn't lose before then for one last big pay day.

Wilder act's, dresses, and talks in a bizarre manner himself, so you can't rely on his observations at all.
As far as Wilder's fighting skills are concerned, he is a bonafide warrior, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

[Boricua181]

Ohhhh Deontey and your conspiracy theories.

Deontey Wilder is definitely a conspiracy theorist par excellence, he just can't stop himself from making bizarre statements.

[champion4ever]

So Ruiz was handpicked was he? I guess bend the facts to fit your agenda.

Andy Ruiz was a late replacement opponent. So hell yeah he was a cherry pick.