what was your Usyk-Joshua 2 scorecard

[Mammoth]

I don't keep them in a box or nothing. I gave Joshua 4 rounds.

[Nash out]

118-110 Usyk.

Round 1 Usyk
2 AJ
3 Usyk
4 Usyk
5 Usyk
6 Usyk
7 Usyk
8 Usyk
9 AJ
10 Usyk
11 Usyk
12 Usyk.

Usyk was DICTATING the action and OUT LANDING Joshua in every round except for the 2nd and 9th. The 1st round was the only other round I could have gave to AJ. People giving Joshua 5 or more rounds don’t have a f***ing clue how to score fights.

Exact same card as me. Nash out.

[15round]

I think 8-4 was most common. It would be a stretch and a crime to make it a draw. Feldman's card was insane.

[TMT_HEAT]

8-4/7-5 Usyk

[Toffee]

They were not close rounds, you're confused because you don't know how to score. Usyk landed double the punches and power shots in round 6, it's crystal clear who won that round. Usyk landed 134% more punches and 900% more power punches in round 9 =---> you have no legs to stand on. There was no effect of power on Usyk so you can't modify the punchstat I provided which is extremely accurate.

AJ
Thrown: 59
Landed: 8
Power Shots: 5

Usyk
Thrown: 73
Landed: 16
Power Shots: 9

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AJ
Thrown: 70
Landed: 12
Power Shots: 2

Usyk
Thrown: 98
Landed: 28
Power Shots: 20



Because that's how boxing is scored. #1 you have to see an effect from power, #2 and always always always body shots are not counted as highly as head shots.

When I was an amateur I used to spar this really accomplished amateur who had way more experience than I did, like 8-9 years. He would land this big right hooks to my right side =---> they landed clean, they were really loud, but they had zero effect...every single time. This guy had power too - I wouldn't want to fight him IRL, but that shot just doesn't hurt. Looks like it hurts, sounds like it hurts, zero effect.

Power has to be viewed and scored by a trained eye. Just because it looks like gangbusters, doesn't mean it's g****busters. You don't need to box to know it either, you just need the proper guidance on how to score. You just can't be some guy at home with zero to little knowledge scoring fights properly. Scoring properly is a pretty advanced skill to have so don't get your panties in a bunch over it. I've been actively scoring 30 years and my scores from 30 years ago were total shyte.

Like I said before if body shots counted like headshots, Malignaggi would have beaten Broner 118-110 easy.

Unless a knockdown happens, body shots are not equal to headshots, facts.

Even in the amateurs on the world olympic levels, trainers are telling fighters to don't spend much time on the body and focus on certain punches to the head so the judges can see them clearly scoring. When I was coming up, we were taught to shoeshine the ribs because it brought the hands down and then move the combo upstairs. You don't see amateur kids shoeshining the ribs anymore.



AJ's aggression was ineffective, look at the punch stats I literally made and provided lmao.

AJ (accuracy)
Round 6: 13.55%
Round 8: 17.14%

Usyk (accuracy)
Round 6: 21.91%
Round 8: 29.59%

Boxing scoring is objective, there is a specific criterion in place. Only people saying subjective are corrupt officials and parakeets that DKSAB.

Ring Generalship doesn't exist when good amounts of power and punches are landing - it's too far down the line. If nobody is landing power (or it's equal), very little shots are landing (or it's equal), then you go down the ladder to Ring Generalship.

Sweetpea was losing rounds to Oscar because he was using too much defense and not landing enough. Oscar was missing a lot, but his aggression was still effective and he was landing enough (although not much) to win the rounds.

If you want to talk the lower rungs, there are claims that Pep won the third round in his fight against Jackie Graves in a fight on July 25, 1946, without throwing a punch, defense won him that round. Has it been done since, probably not. TBH, I don't think there is any film so we'll never truly know but it's valid lore if anything else.

I don't care which professional judge scored what...

• I'm better than them
• I have the best seat in the house, they don't.

There were certain punches AJ threw that were blocked that sitting ringside, a judge might not see was blocked and they score that it landed. Additionally, 2 out of the 3 judges were clearly on the take. 115-113 is straight shyte.

I just listed all of my boxing accolades to boost my credibility but deleted it because I look like a stuffy prick and I like to keep it objective. Plus it would be meaningless to an argumentive person anyway. At the end of the day I score like a seasoned professional and people that know what they're talking about recognize me for it.

That's a massive post that I won't attempt to answer 10% of.

But what it comes down to is that you state boxing scoring is objective.

It isn't. Or you don't know what objective means.

Your stats and numbers aren't great either. Usyk landed 134% more punches and 900% more power punches in round 9? You sure about that?

As for power punches... that term itself is subjective.

[PRINCEKOOL]

From round 10-12 again Usyk won the fight, up until that point. Usyk again was clearly the better boxer, he was not beating Joshua up but? He was just edging the rounds here and there 'It was not a one sided fight or a master class'. It may have been subjective how you scored the fight, but for me 'Usyk was scoring points'.

Out of the two fighters Joshua hurt Usyk more. Joshua again in all honesty, boxed Usyk.

Only problem is, Joshua's Jab was terrible, if Joshua had a strong Jab the dynamic of the fight would of completely changed.

I don't really score fights as I watch them round by round. But my initial reaction was that Usyk was collecting those points.

I would not describe the fight as a master class from Usyk, just a solid performance 'He has beaten Joshua with the basics, and took advantage of his lack of Jab, lack of elite level endurance and inside fighting capabilities'.

[BrilliantAJ]

I gave AJ the second, the third, and the ninth, so I had it 117-111.

I think consensus seems to suggest the second & ninth were Joshua rounds.

I felt the third and eighth rounds were close, but I may be wrong.

I can see anywhere from 118-110 to 116-112, I think any narrower than that is a bit generous to AJ.

[HeadShots]

7-5

it was closer than first fight for sure

[War Room]

That's a massive post that I won't attempt to answer 10% of.

But what it comes down to is that you state boxing scoring is objective.

It isn't. Or you don't know what objective means.

Your stats and numbers aren't great either. Usyk landed 134% more punches and 900% more power punches in round 9? You sure about that?

As for power punches... that term itself is subjective.

YDKSAB, facts.

7-5

it was closer than first fight for sure

YDKSAB, facts.

[4truth]

116/112

AJ rounds 1, 7, 8, 9