what was your Usyk-Joshua 2 scorecard

[War Room]

Unless you put your round by rounds this is pointless.

I seriously doubt many actually score the rounds. They just pick who they think won and then deduct the rounds they clearly lost. That's how we get nonsense like 10-2 popping up all over threads.

Most rounds were fairly close up to round 8. After that it was pretty clearly Joshua, Usyk, Usyk, Usyk.

Edit, For what it's worth, here is how I scored it (from another thread)

6 was a bit of a non event but I thought Joshua landed the better shots.
I've rewatched 8 and I still score it to Joshua though 2 judges disagreed with me. His body work was really good in that round.

I gave rounds 2 and 9 to AJ and did so live with small notes here: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...cene-scorecard

A poster named BigZ44 thought the same as you with rounds 6 & 8 so I went ahead and fully dissected those rounds to show how those rounds should properly be scored.I would suggest rewatching those rounds. There are a few key shots you might have thought landed, but were really blocked.

I mostly focused on AJ (because you think he won these rounds) =--->

ROUND 6
Notable Punches (AJ)

• Left hook at 2:35
• Right hand at 1:30
• Body & Head Attack at 1:00 (90% miss)
• Right Hand 0:25

None of these punches score on the power scale for AJ.

After the round Mannix or whoever is on the American broadcast just says...

Although the shots upstairs didn’t land all that cleanly, he still been able to answer and response to the body and keep Usyk from firing back and stealing the moment.

The shots didn't land at all as a matter of fact and yes, in that moment Aj prevented Usyk from doing anything, but for that moment only. The entire rest of the round, the call & response 100% belonged to Usyk. Everything AJ gave him, Usyk came back with a lot more. Less power from Usyk, ok I say yes, but this round comes down to punches landed because power on neither side is showing a result from power in the slightest.

I even compiled an accurate Punchstat.

AJ
Thrown: 59
Landed: 8
Power Shots: 5

Usyk
Thrown: 73
Landed: 16
Power Shots: 9

ROUND 8
Notable Punches (AJ)

• Right hand 2:33
• Body Attack at 1:00
• Right hand at 0:23

AJ
Thrown: 70
Landed: 12
Power Shots: 2

Usyk
Thrown: 98
Landed: 28
Power Shots: 20

None of these punches score on the power scale for AJ.

Body punching is scored on a lower criteria otherwise Malignaggi would have beaten Broner 118-110. There was no result, any result, in AJ's power shots. If you're more interested in punchstat, AJ was clealry dominated. Anybody picking rounds 6 & 8 picked them erroneously =---> for whatever reason and I say that respectively.

[Toffee]

I gave rounds 2 and 9 to AJ and did so live with small notes here: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...cene-scorecard

A poster named BigZ44 thought the same as you with rounds 6 & 8 so I went ahead and fully dissected those rounds to show how those rounds should properly be scored.I would suggest rewatching those rounds. There are a few key shots you might have thought landed, but were really blocked.

I mostly focused on AJ (because you think he won these rounds) =--->

ROUND 6
Notable Punches (AJ)

• Left hook at 2:35
• Right hand at 1:30
• Body & Head Attack at 1:00 (90% miss)
• Right Hand 0:25

None of these punches score on the power scale for AJ.

After the round Mannix or whoever is on the American broadcast just says...


The shots didn't land at all as a matter of fact and yes, in that moment Aj prevented Usyk from doing anything, but for that moment only. The entire rest of the round, the call & response 100% belonged to Usyk. Everything AJ gave him, Usyk came back with a lot more. Less power from Usyk, ok I say yes, but this round comes down to punches landed because power on neither side is showing a result from power in the slightest.

I even compiled an accurate Punchstat.

AJ
Thrown: 59
Landed: 8
Power Shots: 5

Usyk
Thrown: 73
Landed: 16
Power Shots: 9

ROUND 8
Notable Punches (AJ)

• Right hand 2:33
• Body Attack at 1:00
• Right hand at 0:23

AJ
Thrown: 70
Landed: 12
Power Shots: 2

Usyk
Thrown: 98
Landed: 28
Power Shots: 20

None of these punches score on the power scale for AJ.

Body punching is scored on a lower criteria otherwise Malignaggi would have beaten Broner 118-110. There was no result, any result, in AJ's power shots. If you're more interested in punchstat, AJ was clealry dominated. Anybody picking rounds 6 & 8 picked them erroneously =---> for whatever reason and I say that respectively.

I don't know how you can possibly use a phrase like "clearly dominated" regarding those rounds. They were close rounds (among other close rounds that I scored to Usyk).

Not sure where your 'body shots count less' logic comes from. A strong body shot surely does count, especially in comparison to 'touching' shots.

Then there are factors such as effective aggression and ring generalship. Very subjective but I liked what I saw from AJ in those rounds - centre ring, moving Usyk back and landing strong body shots (again, not sure why you've decided they don't count).

Boxing scoring is subjective. I find it strange that you've decided round 6 was factually a Usyk round... yet three professional judges and the boxing scene scorer all live scored it to Joshua! Your score is your score but surely you can accept that it could have gone to a Joshua?

[shenmue]

I gave aj rounds 2, 6 and 9, the split decision is a farce but at least the right man won.

I have no problem with 10-2 either, this was a clear usyk victory.

[Toffee]

I gave aj rounds 2, 6 and 9, the split decision is a farce but at least the right man won.

I have no problem with 10-2 either, this was a clear usyk victory.

No-one ever agrees with a split decision, because by definition there's at least one card that doesn't agree with theirs!

You just look at the cards and the close rounds. To get AJ winning you have to score every pretty close/quiet round to him. That's not right and shows a clear bias. Not necessarily to the fighter but the style. Given it was the US judge you can kind of see it - I've always thought US judges prefer the fighter coming forward.

But I would argue 10-2 shows a similar bias to Usyk's style. That's scoring every close/quiet round to Usyk.

I had it 7-5. I could live with a round either way which meant I was comfortable that Joshua had lost and Usyk had deserved it.

[War Room]

I don't know how you can possibly use a phrase like "clearly dominated" regarding those rounds. They were close rounds (among other close rounds that I scored to Usyk).

They were not close rounds, you're confused because you don't know how to score. Usyk landed double the punches and power shots in round 6, it's crystal clear who won that round. Usyk landed 134% more punches and 900% more power punches in round 9 =---> you have no legs to stand on. There was no effect of power on Usyk so you can't modify the punchstat I provided which is extremely accurate.

AJ
Thrown: 59
Landed: 8
Power Shots: 5

Usyk
Thrown: 73
Landed: 16
Power Shots: 9

<------------------->

AJ
Thrown: 70
Landed: 12
Power Shots: 2

Usyk
Thrown: 98
Landed: 28
Power Shots: 20

Not sure where your 'body shots count less' logic comes from. A strong body shot surely does count, especially in comparison to 'touching' shots.

Because that's how boxing is scored. #1 you have to see an effect from power, #2 and always always always body shots are not counted as highly as head shots.

When I was an amateur I used to spar this really accomplished amateur who had way more experience than I did, like 8-9 years. He would land this big right hooks to my right side =---> they landed clean, they were really loud, but they had zero effect...every single time. This guy had power too - I wouldn't want to fight him IRL, but that shot just doesn't hurt. Looks like it hurts, sounds like it hurts, zero effect.

Power has to be viewed and scored by a trained eye. Just because it looks like gangbusters, doesn't mean it's g****busters. You don't need to box to know it either, you just need the proper guidance on how to score. You just can't be some guy at home with zero to little knowledge scoring fights properly. Scoring properly is a pretty advanced skill to have so don't get your panties in a bunch over it. I've been actively scoring 30 years and my scores from 30 years ago were total shyte.

Like I said before if body shots counted like headshots, Malignaggi would have beaten Broner 118-110 easy.

Unless a knockdown happens, body shots are not equal to headshots, facts.

Even in the amateurs on the world olympic levels, trainers are telling fighters to don't spend much time on the body and focus on certain punches to the head so the judges can see them clearly scoring. When I was coming up, we were taught to shoeshine the ribs because it brought the hands down and then move the combo upstairs. You don't see amateur kids shoeshining the ribs anymore.

Then there are factors such as effective aggression and ring generalship. Very subjective but I liked what I saw from AJ in those rounds - centre ring, moving Usyk back and landing strong body shots (again, not sure why you've decided they don't count).

Boxing scoring is subjective. I find it strange that you've decided round 6 was factually a Usyk round... yet three professional judges and the boxing scene scorer all live scored it to Joshua! Your score is your score but surely you can accept that it could have gone to a Joshua?

AJ's aggression was ineffective, look at the punch stats I literally made and provided lmao.

AJ (accuracy)
Round 6: 13.55%
Round 8: 17.14%

Usyk (accuracy)
Round 6: 21.91%
Round 8: 29.59%

Boxing scoring is objective, there is a specific criterion in place. Only people saying subjective are corrupt officials and parakeets that DKSAB.

Ring Generalship doesn't exist when good amounts of power and punches are landing - it's too far down the line. If nobody is landing power (or it's equal), very little shots are landing (or it's equal), then you go down the ladder to Ring Generalship.

Sweetpea was losing rounds to Oscar because he was using too much defense and not landing enough. Oscar was missing a lot, but his aggression was still effective and he was landing enough (although not much) to win the rounds.

If you want to talk the lower rungs, there are claims that Pep won the third round in his fight against Jackie Graves in a fight on July 25, 1946, without throwing a punch, defense won him that round. Has it been done since, probably not. TBH, I don't think there is any film so we'll never truly know but it's valid lore if anything else.

I don't care which professional judge scored what...

• I'm better than them
• I have the best seat in the house, they don't.

There were certain punches AJ threw that were blocked that sitting ringside, a judge might not see was blocked and they score that it landed. Additionally, 2 out of the 3 judges were clearly on the take. 115-113 is straight shyte.

I just listed all of my boxing accolades to boost my credibility but deleted it because I look like a stuffy prick and I like to keep it objective. Plus it would be meaningless to an argumentive person anyway. At the end of the day I score like a seasoned professional and people that know what they're talking about recognize me for it.

[famicommander]

117-111 Usyk.

I gave Usyk 1, 3-7, 10-12.

I gave Joshua 2, 8, and 9.

[tritium_arma]

7-5 Usyk. I can actually see someone giving it to Joshua since some of Joshua's punches sounded very hard and landed on Usyk's gloves making it seem like his head moved back. If you were a judge looking at it from behind, it could seem like a scoring punch.

[QueensburyRules]

They were not close rounds, you're confused because you don't know how to score. Usyk landed double the punches and power shots in round 6, it's crystal clear who won that round. Usyk landed 134% more punches and 900% more power punches in round 9 =---> you have no legs to stand on. There was no effect of power on Usyk so you can't modify the punchstat I provided which is extremely accurate.

AJ
Thrown: 59
Landed: 8
Power Shots: 5

Usyk
Thrown: 73
Landed: 16
Power Shots: 9

<------------------->

AJ
Thrown: 70
Landed: 12
Power Shots: 2

Usyk
Thrown: 98
Landed: 28
Power Shots: 20



Because that's how boxing is scored. #1 you have to see an effect from power, #2 and always always always body shots are not counted as highly as head shots.

When I was an amateur I used to spar this really accomplished amateur who had way more experience than I did, like 8-9 years. He would land this big right hooks to my right side =---> they landed clean, they were really loud, but they had zero effect...every single time. This guy had power too - I wouldn't want to fight him IRL, but that shot just doesn't hurt. Looks like it hurts, sounds like it hurts, zero effect.

Power has to be viewed and scored by a trained eye. Just because it looks like gangbusters, doesn't mean it's g****busters. You don't need to box to know it either, you just need the proper guidance on how to score. You just can't be some guy at home with zero to little knowledge scoring fights properly. Scoring properly is a pretty advanced skill to have so don't get your panties in a bunch over it. I've been actively scoring 30 years and my scores from 30 years ago were total shyte.

Like I said before if body shots counted like headshots, Malignaggi would have beaten Broner 118-110 easy.

Unless a knockdown happens, body shots are not equal to headshots, facts.

Even in the amateurs on the world olympic levels, trainers are telling fighters to don't spend much time on the body and focus on certain punches to the head so the judges can see them clearly scoring. When I was coming up, we were taught to shoeshine the ribs because it brought the hands down and then move the combo upstairs. You don't see amateur kids shoeshining the ribs anymore.



AJ's aggression was ineffective, look at the punch stats I literally made and provided lmao.

AJ (accuracy)
Round 6: 13.55%
Round 8: 17.14%

Usyk (accuracy)
Round 6: 21.91%
Round 8: 29.59%

Boxing scoring is objective, there is a specific criterion in place. Only people saying subjective are corrupt officials and parakeets that DKSAB.

Ring Generalship doesn't exist when good amounts of power and punches are landing - it's too far down the line. If nobody is landing power (or it's equal), very little shots are landing (or it's equal), then you go down the ladder to Ring Generalship.

Sweetpea was losing rounds to Oscar because he was using too much defense and not landing enough. Oscar was missing a lot, but his aggression was still effective and he was landing enough (although not much) to win the rounds.

If you want to talk the lower rungs, there are claims that Pep won the third round in his fight against Jackie Graves in a fight on July 25, 1946, without throwing a punch, defense won him that round. Has it been done since, probably not. TBH, I don't think there is any film so we'll never truly know but it's valid lore if anything else.

I don't care which professional judge scored what...

• I'm better than them
• I have the best seat in the house, they don't.

There were certain punches AJ threw that were blocked that sitting ringside, a judge might not see was blocked and they score that it landed. Additionally, 2 out of the 3 judges were clearly on the take. 115-113 is straight shyte.

I just listed all of my boxing accolades to boost my credibility but deleted it because I look like a stuffy prick and I like to keep it objective. Plus it would be meaningless to an argumentive person anyway. At the end of the day I score like a seasoned professional and people that know what they're talking about recognize me for it.

- - Always thought U was one of them punchmonkey guys they put into suits for the monkeyshines. Well done.

[Superbee]

9-3 Usyk (117-111) ... Even in AJ's good times, lots of shots were blocked that seemed to land ... Maybe the the ****** Bell-Boy-Judge fell for it...

[Nash out]

118-110 Usyk. Though, if giving Joshua everything possible, I could see as close as 116-112. Nash out.