Thurman Never Ducked Spence

[Hustle]

I am sticking to the facts.

The 154 pound division has and does get refereed to as 'The Super Welter Weight division'.

140, 147, 154 those weight classes span the entire Welter Weight Divisions.

Those are the facts. I read an article only just recently, talking about one of the Charlo brothers being Champion within the 'Super Welter Weight divisions'.

So by your logic 140 isn't even welterweight since it's referred to by most as super lightweight.

For example prograis vs zepeda is at 140 for the wbc super lightweight title

[PRINCEKOOL]

It is literally that simple.

You're arguing over semantics, of which are irrelevant.

Are you aware what the term "limit" means? If not, here you go;


1. a point or level beyond which something does not or may not extend or pass.
"the failure showed the limits of British power"

2. a restriction on the size or amount of something permissible or possible.
"an age limit"



The Welterweight division has, and has always had, a limit of 147 lbs. If 147 lbs is exceeded it is no longer a Welterweight bout.

This isn't something that's debatable or up for discussion. It is black and white.

It is debatable. It is not that simple.

Why do some boxer writers referrer to the 154 division as the Super Welter Weight division?

At the end of the day, I am not moving from my points. And I will continue to referrer to the 154 pound divisions as 'The Super Welter Weight Divisions'.

[IronDanHamza]

It is debatable.

Why do some boxer writers referrer to the 154 division as the Super Welter Weight division?

At the end of the day, I am not moving from my points. And I will continue to referrer to the 154 pound divisions as 'The Super Welter Weight Divisions'.

I don't know how I can make this easier for you to understand;

Welterweight LIMIT - 147 lbs.

Anything above 147 LIMIT - Not a Welterweight bout.

Which part of that are you not understanding?


Welterweight and Super Welterweight are not the same thing, that's why.

A Welterweight bout cannot be higher than 147 lbs, it's as simple as that.

[IronDanHamza]

So by your logic 140 isn't even welterweight since it's referred to by most as super lightweight.

For example prograis vs zepeda is at 140 for the wbc super lightweight title

It is debatable. It is not that simple.

Why do some boxer writers referrer to the 154 division as the Super Welter Weight division?

At the end of the day, I am not moving from my points. And I will continue to referrer to the 154 pound divisions as 'The Super Welter Weight Divisions'.

Precisely.

How can 140 lbs be a Welterweight bout by your logic when it's referred to as "Super Lightweight"

It's just a ridiculously dense way to look at it.

127-135 -Lightweight

136 -147 - Welterweight

148-160 - Middleweight

That's the only possible way you could consider those weights, if we're going by the previous limits.

You can't consider 140,147 and 154 Welterweight bouts. It's not logically possible.

[PRINCEKOOL]

So by your logic 140 isn't even welterweight since it's referred to by most as super lightweight.

For example prograis vs zepeda is at 140 for the wbc super lightweight title

That's nice.

If people want to call it super light weight they can. It is just a classification.

I am not quite understanding people's issues here. I classify 154 pounds as Super Welter Weight.

I do not class the fighters in that division, as middle weight fighters.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I don't know how I can make this easier for you to understand;

Welterweight LIMIT - 147 lbs.

Anything above 147 LIMIT - Not a Welterweight bout.

Which part of that are you not understanding?


Welterweight and Super Welterweight are not the same thing, that's why.

A Welterweight bout cannot be higher than 147 lbs, it's as simple as that.

I am aware that the Welter Weight limit is 147 pounds. Beyond that, you are getting into the Super classifications.

Super < That is why they use that word. Because now 154 pounds is classed as Super Welter Weight.

That is what I personally class it as 'The Super Welter Weight Division'.

So the entire span of the Welter Weight Divisions goes from 140 to 154 pounds.

I will continue to referrer to the 154 divisions as 'The Super Welter Weight Divisions'.

Note: If a Welter Weight is higher than 147 pounds, they are now entering into 'The Super Welter Weight' Classifications.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Precisely.

How can 140 lbs be a Welterweight bout by your logic when it's referred to as "Super Lightweight"

It's just a ridiculously dense way to look at it.

127-135 -Lightweight

136 -147 - Welterweight

148-160 - Middleweight

That's the only possible way you could consider those weights, if we're going by the previous limits.

You can't consider 140,147 and 154 Welterweight bouts. It's not logically possible.

How come you cannot answer the question?

Why do plenty of boxer writers and historians refer to the 154 pound divisions as 'The Super Welter Weight Division' ?

I think this debate is pretty much over, but I would like you to answer that one question.

[IronDanHamza]

I am aware that the Welter Weight limit is 147 pounds. Beyond that, you are getting into the Super classifications.

Super < That is why they use that word. Because now 154 pounds is classed as Super Welter Weight.

That is what I personally class it as 'The Super Welter Weight Division'.

So the entire span of the Welter Weight Divisions goes from 140 to 154 pounds.

I will continue to referrer to the 154 divisions as 'The Super Welter Weight Divisions'.

Note: If a Welter Weight is higher than 147 pounds, they are now entering into 'The Super Welter Weight' Classifications.

....So how is 140 a Welterweight bout then if it's Super Lightweight?

[IronDanHamza]

How come you cannot answer the question?

Why do plenty of boxer writers and historians refer to the 154 pound divisions as 'The Super Welter Weight Division' ?

I think this debate is pretty much over, but I would like you to answer that one question.

I answered the question very clearly.

They refer to it as that because that's a different division, Jr Middleweight/Super Welterweight and Welterweight are two different divisions.

That doesn't make them Welterweight bouts. As a matter of fact, it solidifies why it's not a Welterweight bout.

It actually disproves your point.

[IronDanHamza]

That's nice.

If people want to call it super light weight they can. It is just a classification.

I am not quite understanding people's issues here. I classify 154 pounds as Super Welter Weight.

I do not class the fighters in that division, as middle weight fighters.

Mate, how can 140 be Welterweight and 154 also be Welterweight?

It's one or the other.

If you consider 154 to be a Welterweight bout then you have to consider 140 a Lightweight bout.

It can't work both ways.