Thurman Never Ducked Spence

[Zaroku]

I always see everyone saying Thurman clearly ducked Spence. It’s spoken like a fact and even Errol vows to never fight Keith because he says he avoided him for years. That’s not even true. Keith defended his WBA tittle against former champions Guerrero and Collazo in 2015, then beat Porter in 2016, then unified with Danny in March 2017. Spence fought Bundu and Algieiri in 2016. Then won his first belt in May 2017. Thurman was injured after that and didn’t fight for 2 years until 2019. When did he duck him? Before 2015 Spence was fighting guys I don’t know. Then he was on the IBF path until he was Kell Brook’s mandatory not Keith’s Mandatory. Was Keith supposed to not fight big name former welterweight champions like Guerrero, Collazo, and Porter. And not unify with Garcia, to fight Spence? If Keith didn’t get hurt they would have definitely fought at the end of 2017 to unify the WBA, WBC, and IBF. Are people mad he got hurt? Errol finally did unify the 3 belts against Ugas 5 years later. It is disappointing, but IMO its clearly injuries not ducking.

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[Zaroku]

regardless of fmw jr antics, those 2 still haven't fought in like 6 years on the same platform with the same manager. someone doesn't want the fight, or someone is out of options and looking for a retirement check. fmw jr can't stop 2 dudes from fighting each other this long. that's like blaming canelo for jermall charlo not fighting andrade.

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[Hustle]

De La Hoya, Hatton, Mosley, Vargas, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Forrest, Margarito, Tszyu, and many more.

In the late 90's, 2000's and early 2010's. The Welter Weight division was pretty much the greatest division in boxing.

Not only that, the competitors and fights produced were the best since 'The Fabulous Four, Duran, Leonard, Hagler and Hearns' etc.

Since Floyd Mayweather Junior's retirement the division has tanked. The entire Welter Weight divisions has completely tanked.

Vargas and tszyu never fought at welterweight but I hear your point

[PRINCEKOOL]

Vargas and tszyu never fought at welterweight but I hear your point

140 to 147 is welter weight.

Fernando Vargas fought at Welter Weight.

[MONGOOSE66]

I always see everyone saying Thurman clearly ducked Spence. It’s spoken like a fact and even Errol vows to never fight Keith because he says he avoided him for years. That’s not even true. Keith defended his WBA tittle against former champions Guerrero and Collazo in 2015, then beat Porter in 2016, then unified with Danny in March 2017. Spence fought Bundu and Algieiri in 2016. Then won his first belt in May 2017. Thurman was injured after that and didn’t fight for 2 years until 2019. When did he duck him? Before 2015 Spence was fighting guys I don’t know. Then he was on the IBF path until he was Kell Brook’s mandatory not Keith’s Mandatory. Was Keith supposed to not fight big name former welterweight champions like Guerrero, Collazo, and Porter. And not unify with Garcia, to fight Spence? If Keith didn’t get hurt they would have definitely fought at the end of 2017 to unify the WBA, WBC, and IBF. Are people mad he got hurt? Errol finally did unify the 3 belts against Ugas 5 years later. It is disappointing, but IMO its clearly injuries not ducking.

We could all say right now that Spence and Crawford are ducking Boots. Are they? Same rings true for ANY new young, big talent stepping in the ring while the existing champions are PAST their prime. Who wants to fight a young lion when their past prime for LITTLE money cause the young guy has never done PPV’s??
I remember Spence trying to get a fight with Thurman. Thurman blew him off for REAL money. I don’t like that but boxers no longer fight for honor. It’s all about the cash. I get it.

[Hustle]

140 to 147 is welter weight.

Fernando Vargas fought at Welter Weight.

Fernando fought at 154
tszyu fought at 140.

Neither fought at 147

[PRINCEKOOL]

Fernando fought at 154
tszyu fought at 140.

Neither fought at 147

I personally class 140 - 154 the entire Welter Weight Divisions.

140 = Light Welter Weight. 147 = Welter Weight. 154 = Super Welter Weight.

Those are the Welter Weight divisions.

[cthomas8622]

We could all say right now that Spence and Crawford are ducking Boots. Are they? Same rings true for ANY new young, big talent stepping in the ring while the existing champions are PAST their prime. Who wants to fight a young lion when their past prime for LITTLE money cause the young guy has never done PPV’s??
I remember Spence trying to get a fight with Thurman. Thurman blew him off for REAL money. I don’t like that but boxers no longer fight for honor. It’s all about the cash. I get it.

Definitely. They’re prize fighters at the end of the day. Fighting former champions is a bigger check than a contender. But my whole point is that Keith unified in March 2017. Errol won the IBF in May 2017. Keith then got hurt for two years. But Spence looks at it like he ducked him that whole time. But really he was inactive and injured. I just can’t believe that Thurman wouldn’t want that 3 belt unification at the end of 2017 if he wasn’t injured.

[cthomas8622]

regardless of fmw jr antics, those 2 still haven't fought in like 6 years on the same platform with the same manager. someone doesn't want the fight, or someone is out of options and looking for a retirement check. fmw jr can't stop 2 dudes from fighting each other this long. that's like blaming canelo for jermall charlo not fighting andrade.

Keith was injured for 4 1/2 of those 6 years. He never ducked or turned down that fight. They both had titles mid 2017. Keith didn’t fight again until 2019. Josesito and PAC. Then again until 2022 with Barrios. Shoulder, hand, and elbow surgery with Covid. It’s funny to me because Errol also experience long layoffs with his car accident and eye surgery. But for some reason he hates this man for getting injured, when they could have fought end of 2017 for 3 belts. Manny lost his belt in July 2017 to Horn also. Spence could have been undisputed 4 years ago. Before Crawford even moved up!

[IronDanHamza]

I personally class 140 - 154 the entire Welter Weight Divisions.

140 = Light Welter Weight. 147 = Welter Weight. 154 = Super Welter Weight.

Those are the Welter Weight divisions.

I understand the logic is classing 140 at Welterweight but how can 154 be Welterweight if the Welterweight limit is 147?

If anything, 154 would be Middleweight, not Welterweight.